I see. So one day maybe all countries can be as clean as China. OK.
You may predict man will destroy life and the planet if you like. The bible predicts God will return and stop man from doing so. You see man can’t save himself or the planet, period. That seems to be the crux of the matter. I deny man will destroy the planet because the planet is God’s! Man will only be allowed to go so far.
You may predict man will destroy life and the planet if you like. The bible predicts God will return and stop man from doing so. You see man can’t save himself or the planet, period. That seems to be the crux of the matter. I deny man will destroy the planet because the planet is God’s! Man will only be allowed to go so far.Why didn't god give us clean energy sooner? Why didn't god make the planet more durable? Why does god want to make us suffer? If the is the be all, end all, then he should have been able to prevent this...unless he likes to see man suffer.
Anyone who wonders why we argue with fundamentalists, this is why. So unbelievably dangerous.
They had all that and more in the paradise of Eden. Man threw it all away. He made a way to get it back. That way is not pretending man can save himself.
@dad1 They had all that and more in the paradise of Eden. Man threw it all away.Where was that?
When was that?
Were you there?
What do you know about it?
@dad1. He made a way to get it back.Get back to what?
What way is that?
Who’s he?
That way is not pretending man can save himself.Who said man could escape his self destructiveness?
I was talking about looking at Physical Reality.
Dad1, do you understand what I mean by Physical Reality?
All your questions can be answered in 5 letters. Jesus.
Lausten, are to going to allow this virus to infect the science sub-forum as well?
Ignore him !!! He is entitled to his faith. We are entitled to ignore him.
At least 78 heat-related deaths have been confirmed by the state Department of Health following the extreme heat wave that scorched the Pacific Northwest in late June.
‘Extreme fire behavior’: 2 firefighters killed as Western wildfires intensify during heat wave
Extreme heat cooked mussels, clams and other shellfish alive on beaches in Western Canada
Why?
All your questions can be answered in 5 letters. Jesus.
Ignore him !!!! He is entitled to his faith. We are entitled to ignore him. - Morgankane01Trolls are like kittens.
They’re fun to play with for awhile, until you tire of the same old game.
Ignore him !!!! He is entitled to his faith. We are entitled to ignore him.He is not entitled to post his BS in the science threads. That's trolling. And that is against the rules.
Calling your belief based fables does not make them fact or science. You should stop ignoring that.
Yes there was a heatwave and I think about 486 people if I remember the number in the province of BC alone suddenly died in the several days of heat. They never saw anything like that. The questions that were asked of me had the context of Eden, and who is God and etc. Trying to quote out of context, as if it had to do with weather is dishonest.
dad1
I think that you are entitled to your faith.
But whatever the topic, you use 4 key words, Jesus, bible, faith and sin. and you dismiss science as fable.
This topic is about Climate change and you attribute it to man sin, adding that man cannot save himself and that Jesus will save him.
I sum up, but i think that i am fair !
For me, what you name sin is the attitude of man toward nature. Man is causing climate change.
If man does not change its attitude, our civilisation will die.
I may be wrong but i feel that what you mean by sin is the violation of your moral code, homosexuality, sex relationship out of wedding, contraception or abortion, among them.
And for me, these practices have no relationship to climate change.
Now, about the solution, to give up theses sins will not solve anything if we go on destroying our biosphere.
You are entitled to your faith, and i respect that, but you cannot dismiss our arguments with it, calling fables the results of hundred years of scientific research without bringing scientific proofs. For me, faith is unscientific. You may repeat bible, Jesus faith and sin every post, you will not convince us and it is not constructive.
For me, science is founded on fact. It can be proved right or wrong, it changes with progress. And it proves that many religious scriptures are false.
For me, faith is beyond reason and immune to proof. And you cannot bring any element founded on science to prove its truth.
Please, try to be more constructive.
But whatever the topic, you use 4 key words, Jesus, bible, faith and sin. and you dismiss science as fable.This topic is about Climate change and you attribute it to man sin, adding that man cannot save himself and that Jesus will save him.
I could attribute changes to faith based models that are called science. One tends to use certain words when doing so. What was attributed to sin was when some poster mentioned sexual practices, or killing babies, or such things. I do not know all the reasons for the changes going on in the world climate. Some people suggest they may be partially cyclical. Others suggest it may be all man’s fault. I have no problem accepting that maybe the state of man’s world today and the many sinful practices we see could be a major reason for changes in climate. (greed, bad production practices, etc)
For me, what you name sin is the attitude of man toward nature. Man is causing climate change. If man does not change its attitude, our civilisation will die.
I agree that could be a key factor. But so what? We should all know that the world would be a mess in the end. Is there really any news there? As for your prophesy that unless man himself somehow gets more pure and sinless we will all ‘die’, that is a personal opinion and prediction and very much against Scripture predictions.
I may be wrong but i feel that what you mean by sin is the violation of your moral code, homosexuality, sex relationship out of wedding, contraception or abortion, among them.Wickedness manifests itself in many ways. Just because stealing is wrong, that does not mean the world heats up when a child steals some candy. It does mean that a populated world of sinners is bound to face more and more problems though.
Now, about the solution, to give up theses sins will not solve anything if we go on destroying our biosphere.Man cannot give up being the way man is. (sinner) That would be man saving himself. The Way to get rid of sin is to accept the Way God gave us. (Jesus) When the heart is right, the rest will follow.
You are entitled to your faith, and i respect that, but you cannot dismiss our arguments with it, calling fables the results of hundred years of scientific research without bringing scientific proofs. For me, faith is unscientific. You may repeat bible, Jesus faith and sin every post, you will not convince us and it is not constructive.The part I would require support for is any part that tries to link the distant past with today. If, as I said, all you are talking about is recent changes in climate due to increased pollution or emissions or whatever, no problem. If you then offer a solution to all this, that will also need to be supported.
For me, science is founded on fact. It can be proved right or wrong, it changes with progress. And it proves that many religious scriptures are false.Origin sciences are 100% belief based and anything but fact. So it depends what you mean when you use the word science. If all you mean is that you can make a better toilet tissue through science, or a bomb, or a computer chip or something, well, that is science. If you talk about models of the far past, that is faith.
For me, faith is beyond reason and immune to proof. And you cannot bring any element founded on science to prove its truth.Faith in origin science models is beyond reason. The historical reality of the spiritual element of life is not.
All your questions can be answered in 5 letters. Jesus.That really says it all, doesn't it. The easy answer for everything Jesus. The world was made in 6 thousand years, we are here to consume it fast as we can, and we'll live in heaven for ever and ever after we die. And that's it. Read the Bible, all answers are to be found in the Bible, and our is but to praise, praise, praise. It's an intellectual 'sweatbox'. There's no room for growth, there's no chance to understand what's going on out there in the natural world. It's nothing but an ego trip, daddio's and god's, coming and going.
I’ll take a life time of learning about Earth and her process and be amazed at how it informs and enriches my day to days.
oh, oh, here we go again.
The historical reality of the spiritual element of life is not.Dad1 - Can you explain what you are talking about with that up there???
That people have inner ‘spiritual’ thoughts? So what? How’s that proof of god?
Write4U has a point. When someone says, “the answer is Jesus”, that is obviously not science. Whether or not intentions are innocent, or just misguided, it doesn’t matter. If you can’t understand the categories, as agreed to by the entire educated world, then you are on the wrong forum. I made an idle threat last week and didn’t follow through, but consider this your first warning. Stick to science in the science forum. If you have an actual argument against the Theory of Evolution, present it. Otherwise, stick to the Religion section.