Nothing can counter prejudice, not even facts even though they are used for justifying prejudice. For those of us who are not bigots, here are some facts (on homicide victims), over a 12 month period, released by the Chicago Police:
Victims: Black 326, Hispanic 82, White 20, Other 5
Offenders: Black 122 Hispanic 42 White 6 Other 1
What stands out the most looking at both charts and knowing that 90% of the victims are male is that a lot of young, Black men are being killed in Chicago. No race comes even close to overall deaths by homicide. Keep in mind that based on 2010 Census numbers, only 33% of Chicago’s population was classified as Black.
The data on offenders also tells a troubling story: Young, Black males are overwhelmingly committing most of the murders. Based on the data on the victims, that means young, Black males are primarily killing other young, Black males. What a terrible situation.
Now, we can and should debate about the causes, but let us just say that it’s hard to believe that racism is the root of it. Yes, some will argue that systemic racism traps Blacks in poverty, but does that explain why Blacks would seem to target other Blacks with such overwhelming violence and frequency compared to any other race? Furthermore, on the race issue, it’s interesting to note that the Hispanics seem to actually murder more than they are murdered, while both Whites and Blacks are indeed murdered more than they murder. (Devin Foley, Charlemagne Institute.)
I imagine that you could testify to that subjectively, but I am skeptical that you can support the assertion objectively.
It would be difficult. My preferred way would be to tell racist jokes to Whites behind closed doors and see who laughs the most.
Oh. Well, how awkward that you would suggest attaching such a negative stereotype to black people.
Especially when it is based on who-knows-what observations you have made, and on who-knows-what bias you may have had in determining how one black person feels about another.
Just something I’ve noticed working with blacks over the years. They share the same irritations about black employees that the Whites do.
Yeah, exactly like that. A few thousand people define the group. A group that only exists because they say it does.
Isn't that how we conduct surveys? Although error is natural and expected -- polls that survey 1,100 people have a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent. Is police data good enough for a discussion forum? I could produce similar police info on crime in other cities.
oneguy said: ...it’s safe to say most non-liberal Whites either don’t think about blacks, or simply dislike them.
timb said: I imagine that you could testify to that subjectively, but I am skeptical that you can support the assertion objectively.
oneguy said: It would be difficult. My preferred way would be to tell racist jokes to Whites behind closed doors and see who laughs the most.
I reply: One problem with that, is having a representative sample of “Whites”. (I mean your group of “Whites” might tend to be of the “Supremacists” variety.)
oneguy has blessed us with his “insight” that blacks look down on other blacks. When pressed for evidence, he related that he learned this by noting that the blacks that he has had as co-workers, over the years, (and I paraphrase) have joined in with him in bad mouthing the shortcomings of other black coworkers.
This may not pass peer review as being adequate evidence to support the assertion that “blacks look down on other blacks”.
Unless the peers just want to believe that kind of crap.
Murders are not a survey. They don’t translate into how a population feels about the living
Murders may not be a "survey", in your narrow use of that term. On the matter of human behavior, what people do (murder) do translate into how they feel about each other (who they kill). Crime statistics can be and have been surveyed to prove that black lives (of victims) don't matter to (convicted homicidal) blacks. But black lives do matter to other people whose motivations need to be inquired into.
This may not pass peer review as being adequate evidence to support the assertion that “blacks look down on other blacks”.
Unless the peers just want to believe that kind of crap.
What peers are you talking about? Peers of @thatoneguy like myself who concur with his assertion, or do you mean the peers of blacks killed by other blacks who look down on them through their gunsights?
But black lives do matter to other people whose motivations need to be inquired into. -- Sree
What?
So, the people who murder people are not concerned about the life of the person they murder. I think you’ve really stumbled on to some profound analysis there. You should write that up. Maybe start a podcast.
Keep jiggling around stats to make some BS argument in order to try to continue undermining the newly accepted truth that “Black Lives Matter”. But your slanted conclusions and assertions will not succeed this time. Black Lives Matter regardless of your scam arguments manufactured out of word play.
People who spend most of their time together, are more likely to kill someone that they spend more time around.
That doesn’t translate in to the general assertion that all of the people in that group think that the lives of people of their group don’t matter.
Such a great question, although Sree is doing it in the context of questioning authority of any kind. He is in the camp that rejects scholarship, experts, accreditation, titles, previously published work that proved correct after experimentation, and all the things that make you a peer. Wikipedia actually does a good job with this one, IMHO.
Peer review requires a community of experts in a given (and often narrowly defined) field, who are qualified and able to perform reasonably impartial review. Impartial review, especially of work in less narrowly defined or inter-disciplinary fields, may be difficult to accomplish, and the significance (good or bad) of an idea may never be widely appreciated among its contemporaries.
polls that survey 1,100 people have a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent. --Sree
If I have the numbers right, and I think I do; If you randomly selected 1,100 people, even if you were in a high crime US city, you would have a .1% chance of including a murderer in your survey. Even then, you would need really good random selection that included prison populations and people who not at all interested in doing surveys. The opinions of a few hundred or a few thousand murderers should only have a tiny impact on any survey, and more important, on your opinion of whatever group you are putting those people into.
There are some whites that I (also a whitey) look down on. That fact does not mean that all white people look down on all other white people. It is not proof that whites, in general, truly think that White Lives Don’t Matter.
Yet you (Sree and oneguy) make the converse (and equally ridiculous) argument about blacks and BLM, as if it is reasonable to do so.
Well, such undermining of truth gives me something to address.