We can not ask how members came to humanism?
You can ask whatever you want. Threads have titles and themes. There is no rule. Just ponting out facts.
You many. I don’t mind answering it either. However, my husband isn’t a humanist because as he says, he doesn’t “like humans”. He is a non-believer and grew up not going to church. I, on the other hand, grew up in toxic religious beliefs. I grew up, left the Church of God, went to the Episcopal Church for about 14 years. They excommunicated my younger son at the age of 13, which caused all both my sons and me to leave the Church. However, I read the Bible cover to cover 4 times growing up, studied religion, philosophy, mythology, psychology in college, along with some other subjects and along the way I had an “epiphany” so to speak, which left me in a daze because modern religion is nothing more than rewritten mythology to specific cultures. Even Krishna was the “I AM”. Religion is nothing more than another human creation. However, deism, pantheism, even Native Americanism didn’t cut it for me. I journeyed on in my adulthood and stumbled again onto a Humanist magazine article with Gene Roddenberry, which I once read in my teens. It was a magazine I was reading in my room, when my mother walked in, unbeknownst to me, until she snatched it out of my hand and shouted, “THIS IS NOT CHRISTIAN!” I recalled reading the article as a teen so I researched humanism more in my 30s and saw Gene put a lot of that view into Star Trek, so in a sense, I was raised on humanism since I was a few months old. I watched it with my mother on her lap when TOS first came out. So, unbeknownst to my mother, I was, in a sense, raised by Gene and Majel Roddenberry on humanism, but it wasn’t until my 30s I acknowledged that I am a humanist. However, it was Gene who introduced me to humanism long before I knew how to talk. Just as I was raised in the Church, I was raised (influenced) by Gene and Majel.
While the third manifesto is OK, I prefer the second one. That said, I strive to better myself every day and to better society when I can and how I can. I treat the earth as my home and care for fellow animals, almost like I would my children- there are exceptions of course, because other animals, though distant relatives, are not humans. They are living beings though and one can find this stuff in the manifestos. I also strive to live my life using science, not mythology, though mythology can serve some purpose, just as Aesop’s fables can. I ascribe to the Roddenberry Philosophy, which is humanism. (Note: Humanism isn’t seen as much in Trek series after VOY. His influenced died out of it slowly after he died.)
I woke up to reality years ago.
As a continental European, I had until recently the impression that Protestantism is ok, because it is a much more liberal religion than continental Catholicism.
But I realized learning about the conservatives in the US that, wait, Protestantism seems quite oppressive. The story with your mother and the book illustrates it quite well.
This is really what motivates me having the component “psychological/intellectual autonomy” defining “humanism”.
From what I gather, nothing because it all comes from out of you. No one is born liking Star Wars and such.
Pretty sure Hume made a good argument against that. We build physics and such on our intuitions about the world but it might not reflect reality.
You haven’t actually made a counterpoint to what I said that I haven’t shown to be wrong.
You went on a tangent about evolution when shown something that questions the notion of life.
When it comes to the time delay you didn’t really show how that doesn’t matter. Who you think you are is who you were a few hundred milliseconds ago due to time delay so you might not even be the you that you think you are.
You haven’t made a point that is backed by evidence. Your posts are inconsistent. You say something about “inherent”, then don’t know what that is.
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So you’re claiming evolution has nothing to do with life?
Did I get that right?
I have shown that time delay is an inherent part of things happening, nothing is instantaneous.
As for the brain, I showed that,
A) memories being laid down, isn’t the same as being aware of the moment.
B) these delays are probably best understood as buffering and processing, especially for us laypeople.
Why would a sensory delay of millieseconds or a few seconds, change who you are?
I am my alive body coupled with it’s introspective consciousness.
My body is the product of evolutionary processes here on this one special planet Earth.
My consciousness is produced by my body getting on with living and communicating with itself…
That’s who I am. Right now, a few milliseconds ago, as well as years ago, and during all the stages and chapters of my individual unique life. As it is with all other creatures on this planet.
I take you’ve read my book? If so, I’m glad I was able to illustrate that. There are other books out there that also illustrate the oppressiveness of Protestantism in the U.S., especially the those outside of the Episcopal (Anglican) Church. However, the Episcopal Church in the U.S. has its ways of being oppressive too. The issue of religion in the U.S. has come to the attention of many psychologist, such as Darrel Ray (The God Virus), Marlene Winell (Leaving the Fold), Valerie Tarico, and many others. Religious Trauma syndrome as become a thing among many psychologists in the U.S.
“We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.”
― Gene Roddenberry
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It makes my reality. How about yours? The whole point is that reality is a relative experience depending on the sensory ability and POV of the observer medium that needs not necessarily be alive.
Oh, when I wrote “The story with your mother and the book” I was referring to the humanist magazine (“It was a magazine I was reading in my room, when my mother walked in, unbeknownst to me, until she snatched it out of my hand and shouted, “THIS IS NOT CHRISTIAN!”“).
You wrote a book?
Thank you very much for the references, I will look at it.
Oh OK, I understand now and yes, I did write a book. I has references to some of the people I’ve mentioned too. It’s called “A Source of Misery”. I don’t think it’s my best writing work though, but I sort of pushed to get it published. One person on Goodreads gave it a 4 star though. Valerie Tarico told me, after she read it, that it might have been better if I wrote it in chronological order. Maybe one of these days I’ll update it. It does have a lot of resources for those who are wanting to leave their toxic religion. There is one typo in it though. The sentence about belief should have had not in it, but when and if I update it, I can fix it.
Understood.
Ok for the book. Congratulations.
I was raised in an atheist family (also, as you can guess, the grandparents were raised in Catholicism, or are still more or less catholic), because my family is in the majority communist and socialist.
My grandmother was educated by Catholic nuns, and she used to narrate how it was with still a lot of emotions (lots of abuse apparently).
The Judeo-Christian thing is a very European thing, which pervades a lot of our culture, although in new and different forms (hence my topic on “Socialism, Christianism and humanism”).
Sad to see that it moved to the US to such an extent.
Having been raised in an atheist family, I feel a bit foreign to your experience. Please forgive me if I happen to be clumsy talking about it at one time, by unacknowledged ignorance.
I think though I can relate with what you described, since, again, it’s an European thing, and it was described in many movies, etc. I think I have a bit of an idea.
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All these years, and I didn’t know that. Yes, congratulations. I just went and looked at it, not my usual cup of tea, but I’m really curious to read it. I’ve put it into our Amazon basket - though thinking on it, it might be more fun to make our local (and most excellent and thriving) bookstore order it. Might ring more bells with the publisher and who knows, Maria’s might order some extras.
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That’s it. It’s under my previous name, before I got remarried. Thanks. I would love for it to sell, but I don’t see it as my best writing work. I write better fiction, stuff that has nothing to do with me, and I really need try and publish some of it. I write fanfic too, but I doubt I can get any of that published.
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Sounds like solipsism.
I didn’t say that I said it doesn’t prove something is alive.
Who knows, you never really know. The real you could be just out of reach.
I literally have several articles.
I even mention how society programs how you react to things, like being happy over a gain or sad over a loss, these aren’t inherent to humans. Unless you can show otherwise.
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By consistent, I meant consistently inconsistent. Sorry that was unclear. Which article shows that we are taught what " happy" is? Are there babies that are unhappy until society programs them?
What lead you to that conclusion?
Oh, that’s cute. I didn’t realize you were actually doubting the existence of life.
Have fun with that one.
Guess all I can offer is, live and learn.