In short, and there isn’t a way to avoid being edgy here, it’s to awaken to misery. To see that much of what leads to the enjoyment of life is rooted in ignorance.
To that quote about emotions I cited as well as the Constructed theory of emotions too.
There is a reason the phrase “ignorance is bliss” is a popular adage. Or to cite a less known one, the hotdog phenomenon (or something like that) which is “if you love something never learn how it’s made/where it comes from” etc.
What central issue, that you believe reality doesn’t exist?
Now that makes zero sense.
Do you imagine you’ve created this hallucination you are debating with right now?
Seriously? How many discussions have you had with a rock?
I rather think every thing I mention hinges on stuff you haven’t taken the time to learn about.
In case you haven’t been reading, consciousness only exists in the NOW, the rest is future or past.
Okay please enunciate the actual issue. So far all I’ve heard is that you believe reality doesn’t exist.
No, I don’t think so.
Why not give me a break, and go over it again; 15sec lag, and then what? . . .
At the moment we consume, say, a chocolate bar, our brains seamlessly synthesize sensory phenomena, ideas, memories, and expectations—which means that we often don’t fully understand why we like the things we like. Psychologist Paul Bloom describes how storytelling and marketing can add layers of meaning to our pleasures.
Not a hint about what that chocolate consists of and what your physical body absorbs from it and how it reacts to those chocolate molecule in all the complex variety.
You might want to check out my Vervaeke thread. He puts the awakening to horror in the same conversation as wonder. In both, we stare into inexhaustible connections of causes and effects, going back into our past and reflected into the fiuture by our pattern recognizing minds. The mystery can be awe inspiring or debilitating, and those feelings can flip in an instant.
I’m not surprised, you haven’t really offered a counterpoint so there’s not really a reason to listen to you. You’re still hung up on Evolution when I said that’s irrelevant, since you haven’t demonstrated LIFE.
One more thing about love, something humans value a lot:
The illusion being you love the concept of care and not the other person because if it was them then it wouldn’t matter how they treated you.
That’s why you’re better off not knowing more. You just end up losing in the end .
Not really, wonder is rooted in ignorance of what having the knowledge would be like or the journey itself. But inevitably it ends the same, the veil is pulled away and you can’t go back to a pleasant and meaningful life now that you’ve seen through it all.
There’s a reason the happy idiot is a trope in media, there is some truth to it.
I don’t actually, I know too much that I can’t go back to how things were before it all. People keep saying “therapy” but that doesn’t work. They don’t understand the things that bother me and try to pawn it off as something else. No wonder the success rate for it is 50%
So everyone who’s happy with life is an idiot? Anyone who has awe and wonder with their surroundings are ignorant? You must live one miserable depressive life if you believe that.
Oh, we can make several possible models. Life is but an evolved variation of dynamical patterns. Natural selection only confirms Chaos theory and demonstrates that, given “sufficient resources” plus time and large surfaces in a dynamic environment, will inevitably result in the emergence of some form of dynamically motile organism that can hunt. 3 billion years later, here we are having more of these bacterial cells in our body than human cells. Bacteria keep us alive! All that was and is part of our reality.
We do not need to produce fossils of every year of reality for the past 3 billion years. We can see where it all approximately started and how some variation of evolutionary processes has brought us to the present reality.
Robert Hazen is an absolute expert in this area. Do check him out.
This lecture is for the average interested person and very basic. But he lays a foundation for a model that allows great flexibility as to exactly when what happened .
Hazen proposes that life on earth was inevitable, given that the earth, an average planet, had sufficient chemical resources, sufficient chemical surfaces for active chemistry, a very dynamic environment, and sufficient time to allow for incremental growth in complexity from the first cell to whales, to humans. i.e. billions of years.
I don’t think that is true at all. I’ve learned a lot over the years, especially after I left religion over 20 years ago. I’m actually much happier since I got a degree, left the Church and have learned a great deal more since then.
I don’t what difference a few decades make, or how he bailed. I’ll have to trust that you read his stuff. What’s your story? You seem to know a lot about a lot of things. PhD? Professor?
