1st POTUS EVER to join the anti-Roe v Wade march

Religion and Secularism
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Citizen said:

Where are the Christians when it come to the trump Admin. atrocities that have visited families trying to enter our country.


Christians are serious about their humanitarian efforts in helping illegals. Unlike attention getting atheists radicals and their activist immigration lawyers hogging the limelight battling ICE, churches have been harboring illegals and spiriting them in their thousands all over the country through their networks of places of worship. They have been helping refugees since the beginning of Christendom.

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thatoneguy said : Atheists often seem very concerned with Roe vs Wade
Atheists are concerned with Roe vs Wade? What does abortion have to do with atheism? How can you be so misinformed? It's theists who are concerned with abortion. They seem to think their religion supercedes SCOTUS ruling that abortion is a woman's right and they are pressuring State legislators to close down entire women's health care clinics, because they perform legal abortions.

It is not atheists who are assaulting medical docters, it’s theists who always resort to violence in the name of God. You hear that? I’m sick and tired of you holy bible thumpers who want the world to conform to your stupid beliefs. Theists have declared a fatwah on doctors who perform abortions. In order to save an unborn fetus, theists may just have to kill a doctor who performs that procedure.

Are you gonna now come to my house and set it on fire, because I blasphemed your holy icon?

Women are very concerned about Row vs Wade. When States are closing health clinics left and right because they perform abortions in addition to providing routine female health care services, such as regular testing for breast or overian cancer or other female health issues women worry about during their lifetimes.

Answer me this; where are women going to get their healthcare when the nearest woman’s health care clinic is 300 miles away and what does that have to do with God? The church is just around the corner, no? Any doctors in the House of God?

How can you be so confused about important legal issues, that you have to somehow blame atheists for being concerned about abortions? Are you crazy?

 

 

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Sree said : Trump did not divide America. He just wanted everyone to be honest and come right out and be themselves.

TimB said : You’ve got to be kidding.


Unfortunately they are not kidding. They have hitched their wagon to the anti-christ because he is a TV PERSONALITY. Rahh, rahhhh!

16000 lies told by Trump and recorded for all to see and hear and yet they believe he is honest, while they spread the good word to beware of the anti-christ who will surely come and deceive people with lies.

Religious folks, your prophesied anti-christ has arrived and is deceiving you with lies. You will rue the day that you put your trust in that con-artist.

An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1]

Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.


The one thing Trumps knows is how to surround hiself with slick lawyers who get him off on technicalities.

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Write4U: The one thing Trumps knows is how to surround hiself with slick lawyers who get him off on technicalities.
I watched Derhowitz in the senate trial. He pointed out that the Articles of impeachment were based on charges that Trump was dishonest in carrying out his duty of office. "Dishonesty," Dershowitz said, "is a sin. Dishonesty is not a crime."

You puritans hate Trump because you view him as a sinful man. He tells lies. He is narcissistic. He is a womanizer. He is not fit to be President.

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Ignoring the responsibilities the Constitution and the Oath of Office places on the behavior of the President, is a lapse of secular morals and is referred to as a “High Misdemeanor”. It is the theists that call such behavior “sin”, atheist call it “dishonest”.

And in accordance to the principles declared in the founding document known as the Constitution of the United States, that warrants Impeachment and a considered appropriate punishment (depending on the factual abberant behavior), up to and including removal from office.

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Do Republicans realize the gravity of this moment? Has our standard of civilized behavior fallen so low that we are willing to accept any behavior short of “shooting somebody on fifth ave”, which this president asserted would be able to do as president.

This was not even a business transaction, this was an extortion scheme, using the power of the Presidency for personal political gain. In this process he was using public funds and the elimination of the State Dept. ambassadors. All for attaining his personal goal of character asassination of a political rival.

In the mean time holding up a faithfully promised financial aid package, breaking an official commitment of the US to an ally, as leverage to insure a promise to perform a “favor” for the president, just for publishing a false report of an investigation into the Bidens during a prior administration.

That’s seedy stuff, not worthy to represent my moral values for which I pay my taxes to see them enforced. This was not a sin, it was an illegal act.

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churches have been harboring illegals and spiriting them in their thousands all over the country through their networks of places of worship.
Unfortunately, "right-wing conservative" gets confused with "Christian". The United Methodists are the third largest denomination and they are splitting over the issue of gay rights. I don't know of any other statistics to demonstrate it, but there are plenty of liberals in churches. Churches have the funds, the land, the tax exemptions and people go there believing they are doing something good, so it's a very attractive place for people who want to do liberal things like clean up the world, reduce gun violence, reduce abortion by supporting women, talk to prostitutes instead of shaming them, harbor people that our government calls fugitives, feed the poor and house the homeless. Of course conservatives do many of those things too, that's not the point.
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Make no mistake, Lausten. Christians are all liberals at heart; especially, Catholics: universal love, their symbol of Jesus Christ. Atheists are ex-Christians; and secular humanism, their religion, is “Christianity without God”. This is the title of my new book.

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Christians are all liberals at heart;
There's a ridiculously indefensible statement from Sree. But how do we know if he really believes it? He often says ridiculous things and even admits he says things just to get a reaction.

If you define “liberal” in some very broad sense and then compare anyone who wears American clothing on a Sunday and goes and sings some old songs that have words and Biblical references they really aren’t that familiar with just to be in community, sure, they are liberal. You only have to go back a couple hundred years and most people like that accepted slavery, so, yeah, today’s Christians are comparatively liberal. But that’s not a useful way to use the word in a political discussion in 2020.

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Is Sree a Christian? Or just a Trumpian?

“Christians are all liberals”? Is he trying to keep up with T rump’s frequency of making misleading statements (aka, spreading lies)?

Here is T rump shoring up support from conservatives who are a major voting block among those who call themselves Christians.

https://sojo.net/articles/trump-seeks-shore-evangelical-support-prosperity-gospel-church

 

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I nominate Sree to run for office.

Lausten said :He often says ridiculous things and even admits he says things just to get a reaction.
He'd make a great POTUS in the Trumpian mold. What say you??????
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Atheists are concerned with Roe vs Wade? What does abortion have to do with atheism? How can you be so misinformed? It’s theists who are concerned with abortion. They seem to think their religion supercedes SCOTUS ruling that abortion is a woman’s right and they are pressuring State legislators to close down entire women’s health care clinics, because they perform legal abortions.

It is not atheists who are assaulting medical docters, it’s theists who always resort to violence in the name of God. You hear that? I’m sick and tired of you holy bible thumpers who want the world to conform to your stupid beliefs. Theists have declared a fatwah on doctors who perform abortions. In order to save an unborn fetus, theists may just have to kill a doctor who performs that procedure.

Are you gonna now come to my house and set it on fire, because I blasphemed your holy icon?

Women are very concerned about Row vs Wade. When States are closing health clinics left and right because they perform abortions in addition to providing routine female health care services, such as regular testing for breast or overian cancer or other female health issues women worry about during their lifetimes.

Answer me this; where are women going to get their healthcare when the nearest woman’s health care clinic is 300 miles away and what does that have to do with God? The church is just around the corner, no? Any doctors in the House of God?

How can you be so confused about important legal issues, that you have to somehow blame atheists for being concerned about abortions? Are you crazy?


Just a curious trait I’ve noticed over the years with atheists.

They do seem to worry about abortion rights more than anybody else, including women. It’s a much smaller issue to the left overall than for example racism or gay rights.

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Here is a recent Gallup poll https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx.

<p style="text-align: left;">Americans' Self-Identified Position on Abortion, 2019 With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?

“Pro-choice”
“Pro-life”
No opinion^
Number of interviews

%
%
%
n
Gender

Men
48
46
6
529
Women
43
51
6
480
Age I

18 to 29
62
33
5
144
30 to 49
44
51
5
263
50 to 64
41
54
6
279
65 and older
37
56
7
302
Age II

18 to 34
58
38
4
206
35 to 54
42
52
6
287
55 and older
39
55
6
495
Education I

No college
35
58
7
235
Some college
45
50
5
339
College graduate only
57
38
5
255
Postgraduate
58
35
7
176
Education II

Total college graduate
57
37
6
431
Not college graduate
40
55
6
574
Yearly household income

Less than $40,000
34
59
7
248
$40,000 to $99,999
48
48
4
401
$100,000 or more
59
38
3
276
Race/Ethnicity

Non-Hispanic white
45
50
5
728
Total Hispanic or nonwhite
46
48
7
260
Ideology

Conservative
24
71
5
391
Moderate
49
46
5
341
Liberal
76
19
5
252
Party ID

Republican
21
75
5
340
Independent
48
44
8
352
Democratic
68
29
4
299
Leaned party ID

Republican/Lean Republican
27
68
5
484
Democrat/Lean Democratic
66
30
5
437
Attend religious services

Weekly
20
72
8
260
Nearly weekly/Monthly
37
58
5
256
Seldom/Never
62
33
5
488
Region

East
52
41
8
212
Midwest
50
48
2
212
South
36
56
7
345
West
50
45
4
240
^ No opinion includes “Mixed,” “Other” and “Don’t know”
GALLUP, MAY 1-12, 2019</p>

<p style="text-align: left;"></p>
Americans' Self-Identified Position on Abortion, 2018 With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be "pro-choice" or "pro-life"?

“Pro-choice”
“Pro-life”
No opinion*
Number of interviews

%
%
%
n
U.S. adults
48
48
5
1,024
Gender

Men
47
49
3
552
Women
48
47
4
472
Age I

18 to 29
56
38
6
166
30 to 49
51
45
4
275
50 to 64
39
57
3
264
65 and older
44
52
4
307
Age II

18 to 34
55
40
5
235
35 to 54
45
50
5
284
55 and older
44
52
3
493
Education I

Postgraduate
66
30
3
206
College graduate only
58
39
2
238
Some college
41
55
5
315
No college
41
53
6
256
Education II

Total college graduate
62
35
3
444
Not college graduate
41
54
5
571
Yearly household income

$75,000 or more
55
42
2
410
$30,000 to $74,999
48
47
4
364
Less than $30,000
36
59
5
153
Race/Ethnicity

Non-Hispanic white
47
50
3
753
Total Hispanic/Nonwhite
48
44
8
244
Ideology

Conservative
24
70
5
383
Moderate
52
44
4
360
Liberal
77
21
2
257
Party ID

Republican
23
74
2
303
Independent
47
47
6
423
Democrat
71
25
4
282
Leaned party ID

Republican/Lean Republican
29
69
2
475
Democrat/Lean Democratic
70
26
4
444
Religion

Protestant/Christian
40
56
4
531
Catholic
40
55
6
200
None/Atheist/Agnostic
77
19
3
165
Attend religious services

Weekly
20
75
5
222
Nearly weekly/Monthly
40
56
4
284
Seldom/Never
62
33
4
512
Region

East
53
41
6
193
Midwest
42
55
3
213
South
41
53
6
362
West
58
40
2
256

  • No opinion includes Mixed/Other responses
    GALLUP, MAY 1-10, 2018
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Don’t know how it came out like that.

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I am impressed that you actually tried to make a point with associated data. Maybe you could edit it and try again?

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It’s ok, Oneguy. Your link is accessible.

Looks like college-educated and the higher income folks are pro abortion. They are the liberals. I thought liberal politicians hate the rich and are for the underclass. But the non-educated and the poor are pro-life. I don’t get it. There is a disconnect. Democrats are trying to fool the poor.

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Democrats are not trying to fool the poor. Republicans have, generally, successfully fooled the poor and uneducated.

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thatoneguy said : Just a curious trait I’ve noticed over the years with atheists.

They do seem to worry about abortion rights more than anybody else, including women. It’s a much smaller issue to the left overall than for example racism or gay rights.


Of course there is an elevated interest by pro-choice people in preventing abortion clinics from closing and leaving women without female health care clinics.

Several states where the majority of population is against abortion do not have the constitutional right to close women’s health care clinics. So they invent all kinds of state based requirements which makes it impossible for women’s Health Care clinics to exist. They are being “forced” to close down.

People who are “pro-choice” are the ones concerned with this trend in spite of Roe v Wade. It is an attack on pro-choice, a right which has been confirmed by the Supreme Court.

Trump is just the scavenger feeding on the pro-life movement in order to get re-elected, not from principle.

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Write4U: People who are “pro-choice” are the ones concerned with this trend in spite of Roe v Wade. It is an attack on pro-choice, a right which has been confirmed by the Supreme Court.
I don't quite understand this "pro-choice" and "pro-life" tug of war. I don't think anyone - including Bible thumpers - would give a damn if Taylor Swift had an abortion. Ms Swift wouldn't care a damn about Roe v Whatever and the state of Health Care clinics or the toilets at Taco Bells either. She just deal with it and get rid of the nuisance. It's a personal, private matter.
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I don’t quite understand
I don't believe you