The Democratic Party has forever been, and will always be, a bourgeois democratic organization. That is, it exists only to create the illusion of the working class having any genuine say in the course of government. If the Democratic Party were to become a working class party, it would cease to be the Democratic Party. What Zohran is doing, once again, is holding up the prospect of the Democratic Party accomplishing some of the things that the working class desires for the purpose of dissipating its political energy in the futile attempt to get the Democratic Party to do what they want.
Iâm not following this. Does Zohran want to dissipate the political energy? The partyâs energy or the working class? And how does that get the Democrat Party to do so something?
We have seen this show before - Obama. Repeat examples of parties and individuals claiming a radical break with the political establishment only to do the opposite - the realities of capitalist rule. For someone to claim the democrats stand for a floor and ceiling to the benefit of living and working conditions of the working class is a denier of history, politically challenged and an enemy of the working class. Mamdani is a member of the DP that is lock step opposed to any challenge to the wealth and domination of the financial elite. In that, he is a mild revival of the liberal reformism of the past.
Forward lies not in pressuring the Democratic Party or placing faith in Mamdaniâs administration but in mobilising the working class
Whoâs going to do that?
I hear these cries for some kind of workerâs revolution, but never know where the leadership covers from.
The Democrats according to you
I understand what georgieboy1 is saying, with the words of the 1960th. I try to translate.
The Democrats are not a revolutionary party and in Europe, Mamdani would be looked as a center left politician, a liberal with a social streak.
He is right. The Democrats will globally respect the interests of the capitalists, looking for a compromise between these interests and the social needs of the people. They will never promote a change of the system.
Acting so, they make the capitalist system bearable for the people, and less available for a socialist revolution.
Is it good ? Is it bad ? Everyone can decide.
Letâs say that the workers profited from the system during the 30 glorious years ( 1945-1975). The capitalist needed to prove that capitalism gave better results for the people than USSR. And the 1929 crisis had been a lesson. The Keynesian-fordian compromise worked.
The failure of USSR, the arrival of a new generation, forgetting the lessons of 1929, gave the capitalist the feeling that the time of revenge had come.
The Democrats were less and less trying to represent the interests of the people. I remember a study of political science upon the acceptance speechs of the nominated democrat candidates to the presidency since Roosevelt. Each was more politically centered than the preceding one. And there is a correlation with the progresses of electoral abstention.
On the other side, Democrat presidents, even respecting the state of the capitalist system, have implemented reforms, in the limits of the political system and of the political rules. All is not negative. but it was not enough to stop the tide.
The Democrats are largely responsable of the coming of Trump and Maga to power. When people are no more politically represented, someone presents himself to fulfill the vacuum.
Now, the Democrats have choices to make. Denouncing Trump and Magas can gave them a victory for the mid-terms elections, but will not solve the matter.
American people are not ready for a socialist revolution, and to admit that is the limit of georgieboy1 position.
But something must be done to convince the people that the migrants are not their main enemy, that Magas work against them, and that there are other solutions.
Democrats must find a way to create an alliance of the people and of the minorities. Not easy.
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The troll is trying to frame me into defending the US Democratic Party. I defend ideas and I vote for the lesser of two evils, because I want less evil. The troll tactic, which Iâve seen before, is to argue a valid position like whatâs wrong with a Democrat or the party leadership or some general trend of their repeated failures. I never argued against any of those. I never said they were on a path to mobilize the working class. Making up arguments by twisting my words, itâs what trolls do.
Correct. Our Constitution is designed to make it difficult to bring in revolutionary ideas by voting. The way campaigns are financed makes it worse.
I also agree with your historical analysis. Including the cycle of working people getting some power, then having it slowly eroded and the emergence of a populist dictator. History repeats. The corporate interests donât know when to stop, they could easily keep workers happy with just a little more pay, a little leisure and some security, but the more concentrated the wealth gets the more out of touch they are and 0.01% of the budget going to help people is too much for them.
You nailed it here. This is the failure of the trolling pattern. The Democrat politicians are easy pickings with their many flaws but when the troll has to come up with an alternative, itâs something like a ârevolution of the workersâ, but as Dostoevsky so eloquently described, a long time ago,
âIn the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us.â
â Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Grand Inquisitor
So, he has to return to his shell, where he claims I said something that I didnât say:
The dems just caved into the republicans on the govt shutdown so now peoples healthcare premiums are set to quadruple yet this centrist will quote corporate democrats as fighters for workers and doubles down on that by posting democrat party promotional websites. Your lights .
Lausten is a cartoon, not a serious thinker.
When the right-wing assassinated JFK, the Democrats were instrumental in the coverup. Edward Kennedy was a leading US senator for many decades and he himself did nothing to alert the masses that right-wing forces in the US assassinated his brother or to try and stop the killers of his brother who had instigated a coup and were, from that point forward, effectively running the country from behind the scenes.
When the treasonous right-wing, behind Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, launched a false-flag attack upon America on 9/11/2001, killing thousands of Americans and then lying us into a war in Iraq which cost thousands more American lives along with trillions of dollars, the Democrats were instrumental in the govt coverup
When Trump attempted a coup against the American people on Jan 6th, the Democrats were instrumental in making sure he didnât go to prison and was able to run for president in 2024. When he did run for president in 2024 the Democrats propped up the widely-hated, uninspiring, Kamala Harris, as their candidate, all but handing Treasonous Trump back the presidency again.
When Republican Trump supporter, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated by what pretty clearly appears to be a CIA/MOSSAD job to eliminate the right-wing, Israeli-funded speaker who had turned against Israel the Democrats supported the ridiculous Trump-government charge that Tyler Robinson committed the crime on behalf of âthe left.â It is interesting that a leading part of the push back against the right-wing, fascist Trump regime and genocidal Israel regarding the apparent government assassination of Charlie Kirk has come from right-wing podcasters Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson while the Democrats have been silent and done nothing to advance the mission to reveal the truth about that crime. The Democrats are fine with blaming âthe leftâ â as if transgender is the definition of the left â and then standing aside while Treasonous Trump launches a civil war in America.
Not only are the Democrats not coming to the rescue, they are a big part of the right-wing, billionaire conspiracy to increase the financial attacks upon the underclass, violent attacks upon the left, and while pushing for endless, costly imperialist wars.
Oh, okay, now I get it
I doubt it. By now the evidence of Democrat complicity in furthering the agenda of the billionaire class to eliminate any hint of democratic decision-making processes in Washington is overwhelming. The limited and utterly impotent class war rhetoric put forth by the top party leaders who go on TV is exposed as pure demagoguery, not as any kind of a serious political response to fascism.
Goddamn, itâs hilarious for you to say others donât know whatâs really happening while believing this nonsense.
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Why would a right wing nationalist believe this?
Youâre misinformed about Right Wing nationalist views if you think we agree with even 10% of what you wrote.
Dems just caved into the republicans on the govt shutdown so now peoples healthcare premiums are set to quadruple yet this centrist will quote corporate democrats as fighters for workers and doubles down on that by posting democrat party promotional websites. Your lights .
Lausten is a cartoon, not a serious thinker.
When the right-wing assassinated JFK, the Democrats were instrumental in the coverup.
When the treasonous right-wing, behind Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, launched a false-flag attack upon America on 9/11/2001,
When Trump attempted a coup against the American people on Jan 6th, the Democrats were instrumental in making sure he didnât go to prison and was able to run for president in 2024.
When Republican Trump supporter, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated by what pretty clearly appears to be a CIA/MOSSAD job.
Pure plot theories, or false facts.
Except one: the Dems did not oppose Iraqi war.
Plot theories lovers are totally unhinged people, either from ultra right or ultra left.
They live in an imaginary world, cut from facts.
Just on point : After the 6th of January, Dems tried to impeach trump, the Republicans opposed it. The Dems could not do much in the frame of the laws. And the Supreme Court has granted the president a quasi full immunity.
Beg to differ. biden called for unity with republican party and promoted the infantile theory that trump was alone in the events of jan 6th . Biden gave nominal support if that, for the invocation of the 25th amendment and omitted the key role played by trumps Republican co-conspirators in propagating his election lies.
Biden was a regular citizen at the time
Biden was an extra ORDINARY president. There would be no trump without clinton obama and biden
What Iâm responding to is that he was President-Elect during the impeachment trial. He had no powers at the time. Presidents donât have the power to impeach other Presidents.
Biden folded to the republican on the terms of the senate trial as they have folded now in the govt shutdown as loses always do and when it was their turn to prosecut they refused to call witnesses. But of course you didnt know all that. Wakey wakey. What a leader biden was !
My curiosity is only for why you think this.