Your comment was a litany of complaints that I’ve responded to until I’m blue in face (since we’re arguing like a couple of old men, I thought I’d use an old saying). I did not encourage the AI distraction.
One trillion dollar city - THE LINE
I can’t tell if you are endorsing this or pointing out the latest ridiculous investment scheme. It’s barely started and already people are being killed for having an opinion.
Aside from the merits of the projected city, there was also scrutiny of the actions of the Saudi government in pursuing the project. In October 2022, three men of the Howeitat tribe, Shadli, Ibrahim, and Ataullah al-Huwaiti, were sentenced to death when they refused to vacate their village as part of the NEOM project.[38] Shadli al-Huwaiti was the brother of Abdul Rahim al-Huwaiti, who was shot dead by security forces in April 2020 in his home in Al-Khariba, in the part of Tabuk province earmarked for NEOM, after he posted videos on social media opposing the displacement of local residents to make way for the project.[39] In response to reports of human rights violations, one company, Solar Winds, pulled out of the project in 2022.[40]
They call it NEOM.
NEOM is a portmanteau, combining “neo” (Greek for “new”) with “Mostaqbal” (Arabic for “future”). The “M” is also the first letter of the name of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
The kind of fever dreams only a billionaire could love,
Although, for what it’s worth NEOM is only part of the grand plan.
Adam Something, has an interesting introduction to Saudi’s grand vision.
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When you say “they’ll”. You must be talking about the researchers at the University of North Texas workings with the solar cycles. Or the old school weathermen and climatologists who have made that claim for decades. Or you could be talking about the Milankovitch Cycles.
Frankly I don’t even know why you are still even talking about global warming. We have went way beyond your points of no returns that you’ve talked about in the past and there is no hope for earth no matter what we do. The earth is doomed.
Now you are saying that it’s going to take hundreds of years to figure this out. And anybody that doesn’t agree with you obviously doesn’t understand science. Yet, the story you are posting is from PBS. PBS now stands for political broadcasting station.
The math being wrong for the last 30 years should be of some concern. Where is all the heat? Right now the main consensus is it’s in the oceans. Now I’m not saying the earth should not be at its hottest point of the 100,000 year cycle. Science says it should. The debate seems to be that the earth is reaching this hottest point faster than what the scientists say it should be.
The problem is when we look at solid facts. Such as the temperature of the UK in the last 130 years. It shows no warming other than the normal global warming cycle. The UK’s weather is controlled by the ocean. Move more inland to Europe and you still find the same thing over the last 130 years. 130 years is more than four blocks of 30-year data that the scientists say they need to understand global warming.
I have asked you questions to try and understand your end-of-the-world obsession. You never answer. Which is your right, and I am not complaining about that. But it seems to me that your goal is not to use science to establish the positive and negative impacts of CO2.
For every action there is a reaction. And the only reaction that I am seeing is always promoting a negative reaction. That is truly depressing to me.
Climate change has created a energy industry of cheap electricity by solar and wind. A few people have enjoyed the advantage of cheaper electricity. But overall, the rates have increased for the masses.
I’ve been following some of Australia’s green initiatives and the promise of lower costing electricity. Boy, has that backfired big time. Europe has moved into carbon credits. And it has turned out that billions of dollars sent to China for carbon credits was a total rip off. It turned out to be just paperwork.
It’s the height of cynicism to expect perfect numbers for something as complex as Earth’s heat and moisture distribution engine.
Oh and about the direction of those errors?
Today’s climate models very accurately describe the broad strokes of Earth’s future. But warming has also now progressed enough that scientists are noticing unsettling mismatches between some of their predictions and real outcomes. Kai Kornhuber, a climate scientist at Columbia University, and his colleagues recently found that, on every continent except Antarctica, certain regions showed up as mysterious hot spots, suffering repeated heat waves worse than what any model could predict or explain.
Across places where a third of humanity lives, actual daily temperature records are outpacing model predictions, according to forthcoming research from Dartmouth’s Alexander Gottlieb and Justin Mankin. And a global jump in temperature that lasted from mid-2023 to this past June remains largely unexplained, a fact that troubles Gavin Schmidt, the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, although it doesn’t entirely surprise him.
“The climate crisis has arrived and is accelerating faster than most scientists expected. It is more severe than anticipated, threatening natural ecosystems and the fate of humanity.” Eleven thousand, by the way, is another way of saying essentially all scientists who study this field — the tiny cadre of deniers shrinks annually, and is not being replenished by young climatologists.
What actual climate scientists have to say
Exactly 40 years ago, scientists from 50 nations met at the First World Climate Conference (in Geneva 1979) and agreed that alarming trends for climate change made it urgently necessary to act. Since then, similar alarms have been made through the 1992 Rio Summit, the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, and the 2015 Paris Agreement, as well as scores of other global assemblies and scientists’ explicit warnings of insufficient progress (Ripple et al. 2017). Yet greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions are still rapidly rising, with increasingly damaging effects on the Earth’s climate. An immense increase of scale in endeavors to conserve our biosphere is needed to avoid untold suffering due to the climate crisis (IPCC 2018).
What’s that have to do with the science manmade global warming.
That’s business and politics, power and profits is all that matters to them.
You know MikeYohe, that’s like saying Newton was wrong, because Einstein discover General Relativity.
An ecological catastrophe as glazier collapses in switzerland . Sadly speaking, the collapse, just like the recurring droughts and wildfires in other regions of the world would become more frequent events under these existing global conditions. In all past Climate change summits, governments had promised to take necessary measures to tackle this growing ecological crisis. However, these calls are now rescinded due to our long held suspicions that sustainable solutions are not compatible with the profit motives of big corporations and powerful states supporting their interests.
I fully agree !!!
Lenin has not said that the last of the capitalist would sell the rope destined to hang him, but our so called elite are proving he would have been right.
The blacklash in Europe led by right and ultra right is frightening.
You sound like a person that applauded carbon credits
I don’t and i don’t see how my words imply such a thing.
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The ultra right introduced carbon credits?.
The question is easy to answer. Who created and enforced regulations to advance carbon credits? It is all coming from the left. So no, the ultra-right did not introduce carbon credits. Carbon credits came about after fear mongering that there would be no more trees in the Rocky Mountains due to acid rain.
OK I’ll bite. What is this great Einstein level science that we now have that we didn’t have 30 years ago? The only science that has changed is the thinking in the political science of climate change.
By “backlash” do you mean votes?
Even Greta Thunberg is moving away from Climate Chage after her lawsuit on climate action was reject by the courts. She is now involved in anti-Israel activism and is trying to physically get into Gaza. I would think that Gaza would be the last and least involved place in the world trying to deal with climate change.
Votes among them.
Europe and European states are dismantling many of the lacking laws and rules protecting environnement. Right and ultra right lead the move.
You think Earth’s geophysics gives a fart what Greta is doing, or thinking?
Stop pointing at her as though she were Jesus or something.
Greed and Fear and willful ignorance, self-absorption and, self-serving lunacy is today’s driving force and this balloon will burst.
Importance
The biosphere consists of all living organisms on Earth. Climate change, habitat loss, industrial agriculture and pollution have resulted in a huge loss of biodiversity.Healthy, biodiverse ecosystems are at the core of the functioning of our living Planet.
They support our food systems, and take up carbon from the atmosphere, helping to mitigate the effects of climate change.
The horrific irony of a Switzerland no longer being habitable is doubly ironic when the government boasts of its 370,000 underground nuclear bunkers being able to shelter its 9 million population. Such is capitalism, useless to humanity, along with its bunkers!
Do you really think it’s that simple?
Don’t citizens carry some responsibility themselves?
Look at what unfolded in this country over the past half century.
More stuff and consumption is all everyone is after that haves have it - and the have nots wish for it.
Who actually respects this planet’s biosphere?
No time, everything is always about us. Is it any wonder we are so lost and clueless.
Why do you do that?
Make up poop out of whole cloth.
Wouldn’t it make for a more interesting question to dig a little deeper than pegging blame?
Trust me, I know, being pissed and disgusted is way to easy these days, how to see and hang on to one’s humanity to carry us through will be through that is today’s real challenge - since the situation has gone past the point of solutions. We’re in a situation like Blatten found itself in during the third week of May. Sometimes the situation is too big to be fixed.
We are surrounded by “horrific irony” . . . Don’t have to go much further than the mentality that most upper middle class display with their clueless love for consumerism and disregard for all they waste and don’t understanding.
As for the rich their insanity and disconnect from the natural world & processes we depend on for our life support systems, knows no bounds these days.
We still have to deal with our interior selves - have any thoughts on that?