[quote=“mitch70, post:98, topic:8173”]
People don’t look 2 feet into history to question it’s roots so long as it makes them feel good about themselves. This is just another case of be happy feel happy.
Their wars were not for territory.
Aside from that, are you suggesting that because Indians warred among themselves, it gave the Europeans the right to come and take their land?
Ok, so you really believe that. So they just attacked each other for what reason then?
[quote=“mitch70, post:103, topic:8173”]
Ok, so you really believe that. So they just attacked each other for what reason then?
CULTURAL ASPECTS OF WARFARE: THE IROQUOIS INSTITUTION OF THE MOURNING WAR
Native American warfare, before European contact, is characterized as primitive warfare due to their lack of territorial gain or economic advancement. The Iroquois, specifically, based their warfare on social continuity and spiritual growth.
…more.
https://www.lagrange.edu/resources/pdf/citations08/CULTURALASPECTSOFWARFARE.pdf
I mean seriously Write4U…I just posted this source
and you come out saying
I’m an idiot and yet I see this disparity with just about everyone on this forum. I don’t get how people don’t see even the simplest of contradictions. It was a land grab for the Ute much as it had been for the highly prolific Comanches.
Ok great, I’ll read it. Kudos to you for finding something to believe in. I’ll read it later, and I’ll do more research into the groups making the claims. It’s more than most people ever do here who seemingly just accept what’s being fed to them. W4U I don’t think I’ll ever understand you, and I’m sure you really don’t care either way. I don’t live to please anyone much the same way people here do in order to be nice to each other. My attack on you was not to insult you but I wanted you to at least see the error in your thinking on a previous post you had made. Of course, it was my mistake not to have done in on PM as I had been promoting all along so it was my mistake on that end. Regardless, I don’t think it’ll un-sour our relationship, but I’ll work on at least not calling people out so much on the forum when I should be calling them out on personal messages. I don’t care about clout, but I understand that many people here do as they have been here with friends for many years. I’m disparaging the culture of this forum, so much as understanding its intricacies. As for me, please be open on all ends to call me out on anything you think I’ve said as being BS. At least it brings up an interesting conversation.
edited for claification
So what do you know about Candice Campbell? I’ve read she’s Dr. at Long Beach University, and from her reviews her classes are easy, and a few responses were that she’s hawt. Other than that I haven’t found anything else much about her, much less in what field that she had received her doctorate.
Ok so regardless, this will take time to review. This is the game I see all the time. Post a source for others to read and assume that source has no bias. The problem is, you people don’t look for bias unless it’s something you find disagreeable. It goes to the old saying that it’s easier to convince a lie a person than it is to convince them they’ve been lied to.
[quote=“mitch70, post:106, topic:8173”]
My attack on you was not to insult you but I wanted you to at least see the error in your thinking on a previous post you had made.
And that was when you made your original error. That previous post had no errors on my part, as Lausten confirmed. He understood my answer “in context” of the original question.
I was only upset with you about your support for a purposely distorted comment by djtexas. He achieved his purpose of creating chaos in an otherwise perfectly constructive discussion. I had hoped better from you.
[quote=“ibelieveinlogic, post:87, topic:8173”]
When can we expect the Democrats to change our government so that the majority does not rule? Let’s see how Pelosi does that in the next few weeks. Have we changed the definition of “democratic” so that a majority vote doesn’t win?
Majority vote is not determined by race or color.
In a democracy, all races and colors should have representation and government should reflect the distribution of all the population, regardless of race and/or color.
Your remark that whites are in the majority is by definition racist. IMO
p.s. I’m sure that was not your intent.
I don’t remember that, but I’m not going to engage with you, here’s why: The majority of your posts spend time throwing a slur at “just about everyone on this forum”. When you do cite a source, it’s a reference to a detail, which you then generalize. You have trouble with the definition of words. All of this makes you someone who is filling up pages with text, but not saying much.
So, I’m not going to track down a random quote you found and try to understand the context and try to explain it to you.
Who said anything about them being nice? I just mentioned their philosophy and way of life.
To protect your people, especially the women and children. That and the horses. Somehow, as I read your posts, I get the feeling you’ve never even hung with N.A. and participated in their cultural activities, such as a Sweat (have to be personally invited for that, so I get why you’ve not been to one), a Pow Wow, etc. I don’t think you’ve even talked to one. You’ve just hung out with your own. I’m pretty sure, you and thatoneguy would have been one of the the people who got scalped or something by N.A. and your wife and offspring taken by the N.A.
Ok fair enough, but at least point this out immediately. I’d rather have you openly crapping on me openly or by PM as to how I’m wrong, and unlike everyone here, I’ll be 99.9999999% okay with it.
When I read
I had hoped for better from you.
admittedly I did feel a sense of regret. I didn’t want to sour our relationship because I respect you in many ways, but there will always be a time when I say something that will piss you off to no end. Whether it’s the way I had said something, or whether I make justifications for statements made by others with whom you disagree. Not to piss in the murky waters of love, but it’s how I view altruism. I can’t be honest with myself if I can’t be honest with others. I have to disparage the beliefs of others with whom I disagree in order to either give or receive a better perspective on a viewpoint. My greatest flaw is communication in that I really suck at trying to convey my thoughts to others in snippet posts of my viewpoints. I could easily leave out details in my posts that I wrongfully assume as to being obviously hyperbolic for all to see, but soon realize that I was wrong. The Obama is from Kenya was a great moment for me because more so than any other time on this forum had I realized the perception of my post had been completely taken as to being a literal standard of my beliefs in an argument that I had considered as to be absurd.
I get that I’m the circus clown here given leeway for reasons unknown even to myself. It seems that the greater majority of what I post is completely offensive to the “nth” degree, yet somehow the mods are completely okay with that.
In short, your opinion does matter to me, but I will contest you at all ends on things in which we disagree, but if you prove your point to be true, then I’ll back you up so long as a better argument doesn’t come up. You’ll see me siding with someone you hate on this forum only to watch me tear at him for being wrong in other regards. Believe me, my fluid change in my beliefs makes no friends in both forums and in life, but instead of crying no friends in life, I accept where I am and move forward with the understanding that I’ll never live within the realm of popular belief.
Admittedly, I’m wrong on this. It’s been a long time since I’ve looked into the whole black rage issue and though I know Al Sharpton had eluded to this in the 1993 Long Island RR shooting, he didn’t specifically argue this point. I’ll use more sources in the future in order to clarify my point.
Sorry for being late in responding to your post, but here it is regardless. I want to believe that you are totally genuine, and have been burned many times in believing people who have also falsely made such claims. Eventually, I came to realize that it’s not so much about me as so much about you and others making the claim. You can easily be lying to save face as it makes you look good on this forum and giving me the most hated one a voice-only so that you can openly bash my perspective as being wrong. If I’m the easy target to make you the hero, then that makes you just the opposite. I’ve seen things and behaviors, but those things come seemingly unrecognized, so lack the faith of goodwill as so many are easy to believe.