Twitter Trump account closure and Freedom of expression

Government has censored speech before, of course, but you can at least challenge them legally.
Incitement or threats to violence is not legal speech, nor is it protected as "free speech".

Government has censored perfectly “nonviolent” speech. Fortunately not nearly as often as social media.

Sign of the times: Mozilla CEO is in favor of mass censorship.

 

 

 

 

You know what’s cool? If you go find the people you say are behind the “riots” this summer, George Soros, Patrisse Cullors, whomever, they will talk about programs to promote democracy, empower people who are disadvantaged, clean up gang graffiti and replace it with art. You might not believe them or like it, but they will have a coherent plan that you could critique.

Now, first, try to find who was behind the march on the 6th. If you do, ask them what they want. It might be a conspiracy theory that has had over 50 “days” in courts and “hearings” at various state legislatures. It will be unreasonable requests for hangings or removal or jailing of a wide range of innocent people. They have freely expressed this for 4 years and only got louder and gained a few followers and only showed up at rallies paid for by Trump. There were no public forums, no community action panels, no neighborhood softball games to get people together and talk. They said they wanted their country back, but no one knew what they meant, so, at the last hour, they did the only thing they know how.

This is what trump wants for America

Protesting against election results was a waste of time. While it’s not impossible there was some election fraud, the government says there’s no evidence of it and they would never lie. The election was over and Biden won. No amount of protesting was going to change that.

Storming congress in protest against the crappy stimulus, weak responses to summer rioting, inept handling of the pandemic is understandable and commendable. These people don’t have anything else to do because of the shutdown and politicians weren’t listening to them so why not?

Their list of grievances are essentially about maintaining the middle class and have been on the table since 2015:

stop illegal immigration

overhaul US foreign policy

overhaul policy on trade and industry

Liberals critique this by saying it’s nothing but bigotry, so they ain’t listening.

That’s where we are.

 

 

 

But, we’re not supposed to talk about the White Supremacist garbage?

You say we need to listen, when you refuse to listen - instead making up totally hysterical idiotic fantasies to shield your selves from having to face what we are trying to explain to you. It’s not 1950s anymore and Leave It to Beaver is long gone, it’s a different reality that requires different thinking.

Or how about ignoring the physical facts of life. We made too many people, too fast. We want to consume too, much too rapidly. We refuse to clean up our shit and ignore that we are poisoning humanity out of exists.

Why must the right wing insist we ignore science, such as the simple realities atmospheric radiative properties and co2 and pretend nothing is happening.

 

So guy, is your side willing to start talking about the difference between physical facts and transparently hysteria lies intend to make us ignore physical reality?

 

Do you know anything about the flow of history? You talk about this middle class, but it’s our own greedy industrialists and puppet politicians who set that chain of cascading consequence into motion, with all their outsourcing and profiteering and turning their backs on maintenance and pensions and people around the 70,80,90s. Not to mention all the worker industrialists imported into this nation, when it was convenient for the whites. Which brings us to the whole taking responsibility for one’s own actions, sins and consequences.

 

How about that world beyond the right wing blinders big guy? Or are right wingers the only one’s who gets to have complaints in your America?

Don’t worry.

When Trump starts serving time in prison, we’ll give him his own reality TV show; “Trump Time in Prison”. (the TTP channel)

No access to public fora, no contribution to golf tourneys, no acceptance of trying to bestow medals of honor, no financial credit, travel restrictions.

He has become a public pariah.

Amazing, president Trump, has set one historical landmark, he has become a true example of “infamy”, an American historical “persona non grata” !

That’s where we are. --oneguy
And storming the Capitol, "why not", is your answer? Have you thought about making the case using economic theory, data, psychology, historical precedent, IDK, maybe just a coherent speech?
And storming the Capitol, “why not”, is your answer? Have you thought about making the case using economic theory, data, psychology, historical precedent, IDK, maybe just a coherent speech?
 
  • I didn't catch who you were quoting. So the following is not a personal attack, but a general statement of opinion from the observation of the actions over the past 3 months to 5 years...
"They" have clearly shown those types of reasoning tools and sense does not register within them.

Their dog runs into the road and gets hit by a car, they blame the car and burn down the vets or pet shop.

You say we need to listen, when you refuse to listen – instead making up totally hysterical idiotic fantasies to shield your selves from having to face what we are trying to explain to you.
Well damn, I thought democracy was at least partly about the public being able to hold discussions with elected officials and holding them accountable if they do bad things like destroying communities.

And who is “we”? You aren’t anything but a depressed auslander living in the middle of nowhere.

It’s not 1950s anymore and Leave It to Beaver is long gone, it’s a different reality that requires different thinking.
What does that have to do with anything? A stable middle class is not something that could only exist in the 50s.
Do you know anything about the flow of history? You talk about this middle class, but it’s our own greedy industrialists and puppet politicians who set that chain of cascading consequence into motion, with all their outsourcing and profiteering and turning their backs on maintenance and pensions and people around the 70,80,90s. Not to mention all the worker industrialists imported into this nation, when it was convenient for the whites. Which brings us to the whole taking responsibility for one’s own actions, sins and consequences.
No kidding. That is why neoliberalism is being rejected.
And storming the Capitol, “why not”, is your answer? Have you thought about making the case using economic theory, data, psychology, historical precedent, IDK, maybe just a coherent speech?
I already did. Try to prove anything I said as wrong and you will fail.
Liberals critique this by saying it’s nothing but bigotry, so they ain’t listening.
Oh yes, liberals were listening alright and at the same time observing Swastikas, Confederate flags, and signs with threats and vulgarities.

So that’s not where we were, but where the rioters were at. A gang of thugs intent on destroying, not intent on participating in reasonable and deliberate consideration of current problems.

I already did. Try to prove anything I said as wrong and you will fail. -- oneguy
Here's one of our major problems in the US. Ranting about "neoliberals" is considered making a reasoned case for your point of view. Stating that they can't be proven wrong, and on this same page saying, "I thought democracy was at least partly about the public being able to hold discussions"
Oh yes, liberals were listening alright and at the same time observing Swastikas, Confederate flags, and signs with threats and vulgarities.

So that’s not where we were, but where the rioters were at. A gang of thugs intent on destroying, not intent on participating in reasonable and deliberate consideration of current problems.


Some open displays of racism does not negate what I’m talking about. Liberals think otherwise but they’re wrong. And fortunately they’re going extinct.

Some open displays of racism does not negate what I’m talking about. Liberals think otherwise but they’re wrong. And fortunately they’re going extinct.
You are what you show yourself to be in spirit.

And your use of the term Liberals shows your very prejudice. You just don’t understand the intent of the Constitution do you?

This may be of interest:

Was Clinton convicted of a crime?

A few more months and Trump will be in jail, if there is any justice at all.

No they can’t. Companies have the same legal status and are subject to the same laws as “persons”

Complex subject as there are laws.

For instance, one company cannot blatantly lie in its advertising.

At least, in most European countries, TV company must respect a balance in their political guests. Defamation and racism are misdemeanors, punishable as such.

But in fact under these limits, they can invite or exclude who,the want.

And there are more subtle ways, for instance by selecting the topics in the news.