No I am not. You are forbidding he right to self-defense. Just as some US states are now forbidding a woman’s right to her own body.
What Israel is doing is NOT self-defense. It’s a bloody massacre! And for what? To kill Hamas? Well they are failing with that as they kill civilians, especially children.
I agree!! I agree!! I agree!!
But that is what war does and he who starts it cannot expect justice of any kind.
War is opening Pandora’s Box. Survival has nothing to do with ethics.
Israel sees all attacks as an attack on its survival. And history has borne that out.
The Holocaust was the systematic extermination of Europe’s Jewish population in the Second World War, during which time, up to six million Jews were murdered as part of Nazi Germany’s “Final Solution to the Jewish Question”.
In the context of the Second World War, the term “Holocaust” is traditionally used in reference to the genocide of Europe’s Jews; although this coincided with the Nazi regime’s genocide and ethnic cleansing of an additional eleven million people deemed “undesirable” due to their ethnicity, beliefs, disability or sexuality (among others).
During the Holocaust, Poland’s Jewish population suffered the largest number of fatalities, with approximately three million deaths. Additionally, at least one million Jews were murdered in the Soviet Union, while Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands and Yugoslavia also lost the majority of their respective pre-war Jewish populations.
No you don’t really agree. If you did, you’d abhor violence of any kind and be disgusted by this war or any war. I was even against the other Middle East wars too, even though 9/11 happened. I am a conscientious objector, without any religious views to it, unless you want to label humanism a religion.
That makes no sense. How do you equate war to a woman’s body? Please! Two different things.
Do you believe anyone has a right to control your body because they abhor abortion, even if the pregnancy threatens your life?
Abortion and war are two different subjects. Abortion is health care and in some cases life for the woman, war is death. You cannot compare the two, because life cannot come from war. War is nothing but death and destruction, period.
Any kind of survival strategy is healthcare! Removing any object that threatens your life is healthcare.
But philosophically self-defense is justified.
A war is only just if it is fought for a reason that is justified, and that carries sufficient moral weight1. There are six criteria just war theorists use to determine when a war is morally justified23:
- The war must be undertaken with the intention of establishing a just peace.
- It must be defensive.
- It must be aimed at protecting the innocent against unjust aggression.
- It must have a reasonable chance of success.
- The cause must be just.
[From a utilitarian standpoint, while war is justifiable and sometimes even deemed necessary, it will never be considered to be just]
I certainly agree with that conclusion
That is crazy BS! War is NOT health care. I’m going to work and leaving this insanity until tonight. But the fact is you cannot call war healthcare. That’s just insane. War is nothing but death and that’s NOT health or even life or even survival. I don’t know what’s wrong with you, write4you, but you’ve lost it lately.
What are your views about ending a bloody WWII by bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Is it unjust to protect your life over another? Now there is a moral conundrum.
Have you noticed that since that taste of hell, Japan has been a model of peaceful coexistence and a good friend of the US.
You are right “war is not health care”. But killing in self-defense against a mortal threat is.
You speak with your heart, I can understand that and I empathize. Death is final.
As atheist, I have no expectation of some kind of afterlife, only total oblivion.
But my heart aches and I cry when I see a baby seal being clubbed to death, or a baby elephant standing next to its dead mother, killed by Ivory poachers, or a 400 000 lb whale , the largest intelligent being on earth, being sliced to pieces for oil, or a child standing next to its dead mother who was killed by a human terrorist monster.
But death is a fact of life and best we can do is foster peace and good-will while we are alive.
p.s. My wife is a nurse and I have been in hospital and healthcare administration for a greater part of my life. I need not justify my ethical background to anyone.
Cancer is is a living organism but a mortal threat to the host’s life.
That’s why we cut out and kill the cancer, to save the life of the host.
Good thing or a bad thing? Or is it a matter of degree?
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Good point for debate.
Adverse possession is created by the leadership in power at the time. It is understood that ownership is holding on to land for fifteen years without opposition. But does Hamas have the power of making ownership rules or is the land owned by Israel?
You are correct in the “to the victor belong the spoils”.
I don’t agree that the individual landowners see it as an insult. That would be an America viewpoint.
The insult would be to have a government put in control of your home who you don’t agree with.
I would guess that many Gazans would trust Israel with land ownership more than Hamas.
Very confusing. You say you are against war. But you back the party that I consider a party for war or mass death.
Example: The last time America was on Defcon 3 was the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. And Sept. 11th, in 2001.
The 9/11 was because of a terrorist attack.
Biden’s actions have put America on Defcon 3 for over two years now. Have the open-door policies allowing terrorist to enter undetected caused our military to move to Defcon 3. Have the terrorists planted nuclear bombs or bioweapons in America? How safe is America under Biden that we are stuck on Defcon 3? I’m not trying to be an alarmist. Had to go into the Skunk Works a couple months ago and security I encountered was unprecedented for any top-level defense plant and I have been to many. Could not get it out of my mind. So, I made some calls and did some checking. It is not good. What about our babies?
I don’t. I recognize Palestinians also have that right. Anyone can claim it in court. Not everyone actually fits it. You won’t argue it reasonably.
Nor do I. My heart also breaks when I see dead animals, including those hit by cars. There’s a reason why I’m a vegetarian. Environmental and because I cannot eat my relatives.
The Repug party is FAR worse, especially those who support the dotard. You haven’t seen mass destruction of the kind with the Dems. The dotard killed over 500,000 U.S. citizens with COVID alone and violated several human rights.
Difference is that I do not accuse you of favoring Hamas continued terrorist action over Israel’s response, whereas you accuse me of war mongering. That is just not true.
You can say it’s not true that you are war mongering, but from what we’re reading, it sure sounds like you are. However, I did not use those words until after you used them.
War monger
Of course it is. It should be what this discussion is about.
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So you say. No negotiations. No debate.
Wow
That much use of the word “they” should have given you pause.
Claiming they are unreasonable to justify invasion.
Giving war a nicer name
I, I, just don’t know how to respond to that. There are always rules, or we go back to the jungle.
But what kind of earth? One where guns are everywhere and kids are taught to hate?
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Thank you for describing all palestinians as the cancer. You are correct in saying all of the cancer must be removed / exterminated from the host ( israel ). Very well said.