They both are killing children. How do you ignore that? This is not a schoolyard scuffle. “Who started it” has no place in negotiations, since the answer will go back months, then years, then generations, then ancient scripture and Roman history, and none of that will solve anything.
You sound like it’s your view that there is no war taking place in Gaza.
“Exclusivity”, that is my view of the Biden Administration. Religions are just a form of civilization no more than democratic or representative civilizations. If you want to get down to the root cause. Then are the views of the Muslim Brotherhood, which regards Islam as the solution to political and social problems any worse than the views and steps that China does? Or as far as that goes, the views of American’s. Sorry for the children, but not a word about causing the death of millions with covid. Should we not be bombing Iran to stop the spread of the concept of wilayat al-faqih. On the chest board Iran can’t use Hezbollah anymore to get control of Egypt. But will most likely try and move Hamas to be a political tool to get Egypt. With Isam’s growth in Africa, the nuclear bomb and control of Suez Canal. Iran will become a religious world superpower.
How did you get that from what I said?
But there is no “negotiation” with Islamist terrorists. There is only self-preservation.
And yes, Jews have been persecuted since Exodus.
The story of the Exodus is central in Judaism. It is recounted daily in Jewish prayers and celebrated in festivals such as Passover. Early Christians saw the Exodus as a typological prefiguration of resurrection and salvation by Jesus. The narrative has also resonated with various groups in more recent centuries, such as among the early American settlers fleeing religious persecution in Europe, and among African Americans striving for freedom and civil rights.[7][8]
Biblical presentation of the Exodus
The Exodus tells a story of the enslavement of the Israelites and the Plagues of Egypt, after which they departed from Egypt, revelations at Mount Sinai, and wanderings in the wilderness up to the borders of Canaan.[9] Its message is that the Israelites were delivered from slavery by Yahweh their god, and therefore belong to him by covenant.[10]
Narrative
Israel in Egypt (Edward Poynter, 1867)
The story of the Exodus is told in the first half of Exodus, with the remainder recounting the 1st year in the wilderness, and followed by a narrative of 39 more years in the books of Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, the last four of the first five books of the Bible (also called the Torah or Pentateuch).[9]
In the first book of the Pentateuch, the Book of Genesis, the Israelites had come to live in Egypt in the Land of Goshen during a famine due to the fact that an Israelite, Joseph, had become a high official in the court of the pharaoh. Exodus begins with the death of Joseph and the ascension of a new pharaoh “who did not know Joseph” (Exodus 1:8).[9]
The pharaoh becomes concerned by the number and strength of Israelites in Egypt and enslaves them, commanding them to build at two “supply” or “store cities” called Pithom and Rameses (Exodus 1:11).[c] **
The pharaoh also orders the slaughter at birth of all male Hebrew children. One Hebrew child, however, is rescued by being placed in a basket on the Nile. He is found and adopted by Pharaoh’s daughter, who names him Moses. Moses eventually kills an Egyptian he sees beating a Hebrew slave, and is forced to flee to Midian, marrying Tzipporah, a daughter of the Midianite priest Jethro. The old pharaoh dies and a new one ascends the throne.[9]
And there it begins!!!
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This is a Jewish slogan: “Never again”!
Apparently no one takes this oath seriously. But make no mistake, the Jews do!
Holocaust Memorial Day: what happened to ‘Never Again’?
Published: January 26, 2015 12:51pm EST
The values espoused by the Declaration of Human Rights – and by the ostensibly democratic nations who voted to support it – are suppressed all too often, whether due to self-interest, conflict, or the political and economic forces that benefit from unequal and war-torn societies.
However loudly we recite the lesson of the Holocaust – “Never Again!” – we seem unable to prevent new mass killings: Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur, Iraq, Syria – the roll call of atrocity is depressingly long. Intolerance of others underlies these atrocities, just as it drives radical Islamists to gun down cartoonists in Paris. It motivates Islamophobia and anti-Semitism in Europe and the violent xenophobia that has plagued parts of Africa and Asia.
more… Holocaust Memorial Day: what happened to ‘Never Again’?
Never thought I’d see you use the Bible as evidence.
I don’t believe in the Bible and its stories. but Jews do!
I think writ4u was right on the money. You disagreed with him. I disagree with your view that both sides are killing children. If you put a baby on a train track, is it the train that kills the baby or the person that put the baby on the track?
If tree huggers climb a tree to save the tree. You don’t cut the tree down.
If Green Peace stops fishing boats. You don’t blow up Green Peace.
If people are hungry, you feed them.
In a war zone, you cut down the tree, blow up the boat, and don’t feed the enemy. It is a shame that the non-military combatants keep their children in a war zone. It is not as if they don’t understand their children are in danger. They have been told by radio, tv, dropped flyers, and loudspeakers. It is that simple. The fact that the children are still in the war zone. Brings up the question, why? Are the fathers Hamas and are using their children as shields?
Never thought I’d see you defend religious people who go to war based on their religious text
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What are you talking about? Don’t make this personal. I am not defending anybody.
Fact : it is the Hamas Islamists who went to war against Israel, not the other way around.
It is you who is defending Hamas’ aggression…
No, I am not doing that. This war between them is killing children, especially Palestinian children. You cannot blame children for what adults do. The children had no say in this, yet they are being starved and killed. If they survive, the lack of food will damage their developing brains and they’ll grow up no better for it.
Yes, you are. You are defending the Israelis as though they are without blame. They aren’t.
What do you mean personal? We’re talking about justification for war. There are many ways Israel could end this war. Far fewer ways Hamas could end it. I don’t defend either side for continuing. You give reasons why Israel should.
Not fact. Disputed widely by neutral parties using reason and evidence
And this war is not “especially” killing Jewish children? They are just a “few” unfortunate casualties of war. Are you telling me a numerical equation makes a difference? No zero tolerance on both sides?.
Only Jews must stop killing children. Hamas have at it all you want? Is that what you are advocating?
C’mon mriana, please give it some more thought. Cause and effect is not a reversible equation and you are at the wrong end of the equation.
Let’s see some of that reason and evidence.
Does any of that evidence explain why Hamas attacked Israel? What the present goals are and what the long-term goals are?
My understanding is that it was Hamas that attacked. But it was Iran and Hezbollah that put it together. The goal is to grow a political movement in Egypt. Hezbollah is not liked anymore in Egypt. So, they want to build up Hamas to do the movement in Egypt.
Israel may have hurt Iran’s plan by going against Biden and not leaving the Rafah door open for Hamas to go to Egypt.
So, how close am I to your neutral parties’ reasons?
If I may recommend a must see Bill Maher episode of 5/10/24
You will find confirmation of every word I have uttered on the matter.
I’m out of this disastrous conversation.
Click!
You say you arent a jew. Thanks for your full support for israel and defending its right to kill anyone and everyone that stands in her way.
You are tolerating the killing of Palestinians.
As @mytwocentsworth notes
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Make no mistake. I hate all forms of killing for any reason but pure self-defense against an enemy who is intent on killing me.
And I agree with Lausten that the expansionary settlements, even if they don’t involve killing, are an insult to the people who own that land.
The practice is called “adverse possession” and is a form of theft. Israel has taken every opportunity to expand their territory through adverse possession on the justification of “to the victor belong the spoils.”
But for the individual land owners it tends to be an everlasting insult, because the land owner may have been innocent victims of the war themselves.
There is provocation on both sides.
That is the coldest hard hearted view of the situation. Children should NEVER be “just a few unfortunate causalities of war”.
I have zero tolerance of war period.
I have since Vietnam. War is good for absolutely NOTHING (sorry to sound like Edwin Starr, but it’s true). All it does is make undertakers and some governments richer. They have nothing but death, destruction , and blood on their hands. War should never be the answer to anything.