First step of successful counseling is recognizing then owning your mistakes. So long as you demand to remain in denial you're nothing but a bull shit artist. I am a human. Say that loud and say it proud, you silly goose. :kiss: edited to add a missing element.CC - White man chest thumping isn’t going to help one bitYes it is, it will help dispel this white liberal guilt SJW scapegoating of white men.
“Now, if Trump does win, okay, it’s going to be a real opportunity for people like white nationalists, acting intelligently to build upon that, and to go and start — you know how you have the black political caucus and what not in Congress and everything — to start building on something like that," Suhayda declared on his radio program last month. “It doesn’t have to be anti-, like the movement’s been for decades, so much as it has to be pro-white," he added. “You know what I’m saying? It’s kinda hard to go and call us bigots if we don’t go around and act like a bigot. That’s what the movement should contemplate. All right."This is the current strategy, and it's working. Don't "act" like a bigot. Don't use the slurs that have roots in the sugar cane fields. Don't say (out loud) anything about genetics. Don't quote statistics even if you think they support your conclusion. Merely point out, the guy had a gun, he had an arrest record, he punched somebody once. Justify your actions based on the most universally accepted reasons you can find. Don't worry, you're still a bigot because you are ignoring the context, the history, the socially accumulated advantages and disadvantages of groups, but make everyone else do that work.
I checked out your profile links and put the pieces together, gotta say it makes sense you are the son of a nazi, you must carry a lot of guilt. That's why you are messed up, besides your drug use. Let me tell you that you will never atone for your fathers actions, so give it up.Oh yeah your colors come through loud and clear Too much projection buddy! All suspicious aside. With that stunt it's clearer than ever who sounds like the NAZI sympathizer around here. Kind of like all gay-bashers are struggling and compensating for their own homosexual impulses. A balanced heterosexual has no fear of gay, it's a non-issue for us. But I digress Folks, catch 3rd...'s Give here? Notice the typical desperation to drag the discussion away from the topic and into a cesspool of mudslinging. It's so much easier than actually trying to discuss a real issue, attack your opponent, ignore the substance of the discussion. So pathetic and so disgusting but so typical of how the neo-republican deals with all situations, adversaries and such. fyi: http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2016/05/considering-character-references.html http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2014/09/blog-post.html :coolsmirk: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ But, you know waking up to something like that does get the mind to wonder. So I'm going to use 3rd...'s perry, to do a little fencing of my own. In may ways it's exactly that mentality in action that has lead to these decades of contrived wars, each only making our collective lives a bit uglier and diminished. But on we produce weapons of mass destruction and pass them out fast as possible. Too busy contriving reasons to attack their adversary, to have any time or interest in learning about the true objective reality. In fact their entire game is dependent on distorting reality and confusing the public and leaders. You know in 1974 I visited Washington DC as a bright eyed young man. Walked right up those Capital hill stairs, waved at the guard at his desk, perhaps there was a sign book, and then wandered all around that magnificent capital building while trying to absorb the reality of the place and what goes on there. Got to step into the balcony viewing area and watch the few Senators who were there debating some bill. That was a great America. I've visited a couple times since 9/11, so sad, now it's more a paranoid military encampment. It's been quite a while since my last visit but I'll never forget the feeling of seeing that chain-link fence wrapped around the capital building. How far we have fallen. And we brought all this about, through our own blind greed and disregard for others and this planet we depend on. just like the disregard 3rd... want's to demonstrate for me. 3rd... wants to pretend that I'm some stoned out guilt riddled idiot, even though I'm the one who's clearly writing coherent critiques and ready to take on challenges while remaining focused on the issue much as possible and trying to learn about the issue. (Rather than spending my energy figuring out how to malign my opponent) But then I'm into learning and sharing. 3rd... appears into the dark side. I've watch a half century of one self-contrived conflict after conflict/wars. All obviously guaranteed to create more problems than ever solved. I mean get real, you don't invade another man's home, destroy what he's built up and not expect self-righteous blowback. A constructive dialogue is where you are expected to do a little listening, a little mulling over what others and you have shared, a little constructive talking/writing in response. But, the new Republican is all about absolutism and ignoring what they don't like. Ugly days a coming. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As for guilt I carry, it is true my father put a heavy burden on us. He was a musical prodigy and leader of the band, and not one child of his can play any music to save our lives. We did compensate by all developing a deep love for music, so the pain has been bearable. Thanks for your concern. I have sent you a private message. Lois
Thank you Lois for that private message and link. I was looking for that obituary
So now to one last loose end here, since this nonsense will undoubtedly come up again, I think it’s worth taking the time to say it loud and say proud that my dad was quite a fascinating unique gentleman - I love the man and deeply understand how blessed I was to have had him as my Father. With the years I’m increasingly impressed with him, what he went through and how well he did with it all. Most of all I’m impressed with the way he raised his kids, recognized, encouraged each of his children’s unique talents and desires. He along with tons of help from my mom, instilled in all of us a great love for humanity and curiosity for learning about the ways of the world. And the ability to think for ourselves!
He wasn’t perfect by any means - but in the big scheme of things he was definitely better than most.
As for the Nazi bullshit, the guy was a music obsessed teenager who was drafted at 17 handed a rifle and marched off to Italy, where he and his mates served as cannon fodder for the Nazi’s. It was his great good fortune to get winged in the arm and captured by the British, therein lies another fascinating story of making lemonade out of lemons…
Dieter Werner Miesler (6/1/2006) Durango resident Dieter Werner Miesler died in Durango from complications of pneumonia and longstanding Parkinson's disease on Monday, May 22, 2006. He was 80. He was born to Helmut and Olga Miesler in Breslau, Germany, on July 20, 1925. His family said he was artistically inclined. He became a self-taught musician, writer and photographer. By his late teens, he played the bass, cello and piano. Mr. Miesler was drafted into the German infantry in 1943. He was injured and captured by the British in Italy and imprisoned in Egypt. While a prisoner of war, he became a trustee and formed a jazz band. For the duration of the war, he and his band entertained British officers at the officers club. After the war, Mr. Miesler returned to Germany. He married Hungarian-born Ildiko Valeria Fodor, a music librarian, in 1946 at Lake Constance, Germany. Because of the deprivations of post-war Germany, the Mieslers immigrated to the United States in December 1955 with their three children and settled in Chicago. Mr. Miesler worked at Altman's, Chicago's largest camera store. At night, Mr. Miesler played the jazz organ in dinner clubs. On the side, he cultivated his love for classical music, playing and touring with the Chicago Chamber Orchestra as a bassist. Mr. Miesler began a German bimonthly magazine Die Neue Welt (The New World), which he single-handedly produced, wrote, photographed and edited, while the family published, assembled and distributed it. His family said it was a literary and visual success, but lacked a sufficient audience. They still treasure copies from its one-year run. In 1968, the Mieslers moved their family to Burlingame, Calif. There, Mr. Miesler established Dietrich Foto-Grafic. His family said, "He was artistically talented and a persuasive salesman, but he was a poor businessman." The business failure put stress on the Miesler marriage, and the couple eventually divorced. At the age of 50, Mr. Miesler enrolled in Foothills College to study physiology and massage. While working with an older client who was facing amputation because of poor circulation, his massages improved the blood supply so that the limb was saved. After earning a bachelor's degree in psychology and gerontology and a master's in health science from San Jose State University, Mr. Miesler created the DayBreak Geriatric Massage Project. He produced numerous instructional videos, correspondence courses and teaching aids about the muscle system. He toured nationally to present workshops. After almost 20 years at the Daybreak project, Mr. Miesler began to exhibit the neurological symptoms of Parkinson's. He turned the business over to a longtime associate, and it has developed into the Daybreak Geriatric Massage Institute. In April 2001, Mr. Miesler moved to Four Corners Health Care Center in Durango to be closer to his son Peter Miesler. Family members said they will miss his "irrepressible, witty, charming spirit."
And apparently you are oblivious to how much history has to do with what's happening today. Another indication of the cartoon-depth appreciation that too many right wingers are limited to.CC - it’s historical facts.There is plenty of history to go around. The Mongols and the Japanese have had their moments. Mesoamericans did some off the charts things to each other, and on and on. I don't live in history and I do not feel guilty about history and I am not scared to be pro white today in 2016 and I am sick of the perpetrator-white-guy-routine.
I am pro liberal politics, --That means I am anti conservative politics I am pro intelligent candidates for president who know how to campaign without bing insulting and engaging in rude, disgusting attacks --That means I am anti all who cannot or will not do that. It means I am anti Trump I am pro people who display intelligence, emotional stability and social skills --That means I am anti those who do not display those qualities, including some on this blog. --It also means I am anti Donald Trump and all Trump supporters. I am pro equal treatment of all races, sexes, sexual orientation, ethnicity and economic status. --that means I am anti those who do not hold the same positiona, including Donald Trump, his supporters and most Republicans. I'll may add more of more, later. Others might try a few of your own.Perfect resume to land a job at the IRS. :-) I've landed bette jobs than that. Who'd want to work for the IRS. Would you? Well, you wouldn't qualify, anyway.
I am pro liberal politics, —That means I am anti conservative politics I am pro intelligent candidates for president who know how to campaign without bing insulting and engaging in rude, disgusting attacks —That means I am anti all who cannot or will not do that. It means I am anti Trump I am pro people who display intelligence, emotional stability and social skills —That means I am anti those who do not display those qualities, including some on this blog. —It also means I am anti Donald Trump and all Trump supporters. I am pro equal treatment of all races, sexes, sexual orientation, ethnicity and economic status. —that means I am anti those who do not hold the same positiona, including Donald Trump, his supporters and most Republicans. I’ll may add more of more, later. Others might try a few of your own. [ Edited: 14 August 2016 11:36 AM by LoisL ]Thus your confusion laid bare. White is not a political opinion. White is not a set of behavioral traits. White is not a set of laws or regulations. I never said I am "pro-white." It's you who's confused--hopelessly. White is an accident of birth. White is something we have no control over. White is something I did not ask to be. White is something I could not stop being even if I wanted to. I am pro woman. I am pro gay. I am pro black. I am pro brown. I am pro red. I am pro yellow. I am pro American. I am pro Scotsman. I am pro white heterosexual male. One can say that a person who claims to hold ideology X yet expresses none of the tenets of ideology X is not a true ideology Xman. That's because an ideology is a choice, it is something we can change, it is something we be for or against. To be for ideology X is to be opposed to another ideology that opposes ideology X. To be for a race is not to be opposed to other races, rather, it is to be against the denigration of that race. I am pro white because I am against the denigration of white people, not because I favor the denigration of any other race.
Riddle me This: How does an organization predicated on a bigoted outlook on life and other humans, go around and show people they aren't bigots?You’re kidding right! Did you not follow the DNC emails? A bunch of Bigots. Yet, spin it and it’s not about what is in the emails, you make it about who hacked the emails. And that’s how an organization does it.
Riddle me This: How does an organization predicated on a bigoted outlook on life and other humans, go around and show people they aren't bigots?You’re kidding right! Did you not follow the DNC emails? A bunch of Bigots. Yet, spin it and it’s not about what is in the emails, you make it about who hacked the emails. And that’s how an organization does it. No, I didn't follow that. The only things I saw were exaggerations from my evangelical Aunt. What did I miss? Quote the bigotry.
Riddle me This: How does an organization predicated on a bigoted outlook on life and other humans, go around and show people they aren't bigots?You’re kidding right! Did you not follow the DNC emails? A bunch of Bigots. Yet, spin it and it’s not about what is in the emails, you make it about who hacked the emails. And that’s how an organization does it.Well I'm talking about white supremacist types. Not sure what the DNC emails have to do with that.
Riddle me This: How does an organization predicated on a bigoted outlook on life and other humans, go around and show people they aren't bigots?You’re kidding right! Did you not follow the DNC emails? A bunch of Bigots. Yet, spin it and it’s not about what is in the emails, you make it about who hacked the emails. And that’s how an organization does it.Well I'm talking about white supremacist types. Not sure what the DNC emails have to do with that. I believe that is called Tu quoque.
Riddle me This: How does an organization predicated on a bigoted outlook on life and other humans, go around and show people they aren't bigots?You’re kidding right! Did you not follow the DNC emails? A bunch of Bigots. Yet, spin it and it’s not about what is in the emails, you make it about who hacked the emails. And that’s how an organization does it.Well I'm talking about white supremacist types. Not sure what the DNC emails have to do with that. I believe that is called Tu quoque. I was thinking the same thing. Given Mike's history of misinterpreting things I'd like to see if he has a citation giving the full context, not a cherry picked quote taken from a conservative website.
I believe that is called Tu quoque.I see what you mean.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque Tu quoque (/tuˈkwoʊkwi/;[1] Latin for, "you also") or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the validity of the opponent's logical argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s). Tu quoque "argument" follows the pattern: Person A makes claim X. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X. Therefore X is false.[2] An example would be Peter: "Based on the arguments I have presented, it is evident that it is morally wrong to use animals for food or clothing." Bill: "But you are wearing a leather jacket and you have a roast beef sandwich in your hand! How can you say that using animals for food and clothing is wrong!"."[2] It is a fallacy because the moral character or past actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument.[3] It is often used as a red herring tactic and is a special case of the ad hominem fallacy, which is a category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of facts about the person presenting or supporting the claim or argument.[4] It is not a fallacy, however, to simply point out that the opponent is being hypocritical.:coolsmirk:
LoisL - I never said I am “pro-white." It’s you who’s confused—hopelessly.You might want to read a bit more carefully, just sayin' Yes, you never said you were pro white, obviously, I said I am pro white, you said
to be “pro white" means you are anti anyone who does not fit the “white" descriptionYou are wrong. I am pro white, I am not anti anyone who is not white. You missed the point entirely. You are confused between ideology and race. I am a proponent of my race, the white race. That does not mean I am anti other races. I am a proponent of every race. I am a proponent of certain ideologies and world views. That does mean I am anti ideologies and worldviews that are inherently the antithesis of the ideologies and world views I am the proponent of. Do you understand the difference between a race, and an ideology/world view?
CC - First step of successful counseling is recognizing then owning your mistakes.I did not make mistakes requiring counseling about brown people, the 3rd world, or whoever. I am not riddled with liberal white male self flagellating guilt.
CC - Another indication of the cartoon-depth appreciation that too many right wingers are limited to.Ha Ha Ha. You don't have a clue about my "wing"
Once again Stardusty brings in his irrelevant view. Along with Mike he seems to have forgotten the subject of this thread; the American Nazi Party and the recruitment boost their chairman believe Trump will give them. I could argue SD’s assertion that being pro-white does not mean being anti anything else, but that is useless in the context of this thread. You want to make that argument Dusty? Then take it to the Philosophy forum and start your own thread.
There is no such thing as the white race. White people don’t need an advocacy group.
No, you're saturated with denial. Backed up by ignorance. Just saying. :blank:CC - First step of successful counseling is recognizing then owning your mistakes.I did not make mistakes requiring counseling about brown people, the 3rd world, or whoever. I am not riddled with liberal white male self flagellating guilt.
No, you're saturated with denial. Backed up by ignorance. Just saying. :blank: But he's done an excellent job highjacking this thread and making it about him.CC - First step of successful counseling is recognizing then owning your mistakes.I did not make mistakes requiring counseling about brown people, the 3rd world, or whoever. I am not riddled with liberal white male self flagellating guilt.