They Want Those Organs

And they’re going to get them. Here is another strike against medicine.

A Push for More Organ Transplants Is Putting Donors at Risk

People across the United States have endured rushed or premature attempts to remove their organs. Some were gasping, crying or showing other signs of life.

Scary stuff. I think I’ll change my donation status.

Going big, A Strike Against Medicine. What now doctors are the bad guys in your mind?

That site felt dodgy so I backed out, and went trawling.

Well I am sure glad I’m not a prisoner in China.

Although guess we can be scared in America, who knows with this new administration’s contempt for humanity, what they might not be brewing up.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/16/nx-s1-5113976/organ-transplantion-mistake-brain-dead-surgery-still-alive

Trust in doctors has been decreasing. This news about still-living bodies getting cut open isn’t going to help matters.

Some dangers of organ transplant in fiction and facts

Gene therapies should take care of that.

Are you the same guy who recently commented about sticking to quality news sources?

The study screams: “Trust in Physicians and Hospitals During the COVID-19 Pandemic in a 50-State Survey of US Adults.”

Notice Our Guy is talking about still-living bodies getting cut open - not a bit of evidence brought to bear, instead a study about COVID that seems to totally side step the rabid Right Wing Trumpster attacks on everything medical.

I mean even friggen air filtering masks were demonized by his GOP pals.

Thatoneguy makes a great example of what I mean about being stranded within one’s own MIndscape. :face_vomiting:

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Oh was I screaming. Well excuse me.

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Yes, plots lovers attacked medicine and science.

It is a constant, they are untrusting, they don’t trust the scientific consensus, but they trust uninformed people who invent from wild guesses and deformed facts.

For instance, they explained that masks are useless as the virus size is thousand times maller than the spaces between mask molecules.

They are right about the fact, but the virus is born by saliva and saliva is stopped by the masks.

The use of masks in surgery is a powerful too against infections.

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You don’t consider the New York Times to be trustworthy?

Partial oops. I didn’t click through the “archive” link to see the times article. I don’t know what Jama network is and didn’t bother with it.

As for the thing itself. Sure, people die from medical errors. Fortunately this doesn’t happen often. Finding fault and intent by the whole organ donating program seems like a stretch. Hospitals have more review and oversight than just about anything.

JAMA

Peer-reviewed journal

JAMA is a peer-reviewed medical journal published 48 times a year by the American Medical Association. It publishes original research, reviews, and editorials covering all aspects of biomedicine. The journal was established in 1883 with Nathan Smith Davis as the founding editor.

I thought JAMA sounded familiar, but even then, appearing in a peer reviewed journal doesn’t mean it passed peer review and is part of a consensus. I didn’t look for other confirming or non-confirming studies, retractions, or comments from experts. The New York Times article had some comments, like the data was small and the incidents isolated.

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true dat.

Oh and notice that they are looking into.

It’s a big deal.

There is concern.

Why should that be called a “strike against science”

If none of you have basic reading skills, I’m not going to bother explaining.

Well that’s just great

You never explain yourself!

Why should we have expected any better from you this time.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-begins-organ-transplant-reform-signs-life-found-before-some-retrievals-2025-07-21/

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/06/us/kentucky-organ-donations.html

… The investigation examined about 350 cases in Kentucky over the past four years in which plans to remove organs were ultimately canceled. It found that in 73 instances, officials should have considered stopping sooner because the patients had high or improving levels of consciousness.

Although the surgeries didn’t happen, the investigation said multiple patients showed signs of pain or distress while being readied for the procedure.

Most of the patients eventually died, hours or days later. But some recovered enough to leave the hospital, according to an investigation by the federal Health Resources and Services Administration, whose findings were shared with The New York Times.

The investigation centered on an increasingly common practice called “donation after circulatory death.” Unlike most organ donors, who are brain-dead, patients in these cases have some brain function but are on life support and not expected to recover. Often, they are in a coma. …

Bad stuff happens all the time. Doesn’t look as though it’s being condoned. But you’re trying to make it sound like a horror of the entire medical community. That’s off the wall way worse than my so-what attitude. You’ll have to come up with a lot more than that before I fear our medical system and remove my full body donation notice on my drivers license.

As for our medical system.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/on-its-60th-anniversary-medicaid-is-under-attack/

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-trump-administrations-war-on-disability/