The problem with Chalmers' way of thinking . . . (title edit)

Since this thread badly derailed, I’m changing the title to something more reflective of what it turned into.

I’ve no idea what the intention was, beyond perhaps to trivialize what I’m trying to focus in on. So we can leave dead horse lie, and try to take it from the top.
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Starting thought ,

Four hundred years ago, Descartes formulated this summary how what a human can know for sure: “I think, therefore I am.”

He built that conception on nothing but his own thoughts—after digesting the sum of Western knowledge (not that tough back then) and deciding to ignore it all.

How did he justify rejecting all of “known” knowledge?

Because the sum total of that knowledge was based on conjecture and hearsay, then supported by circular arguments—rather than being grounded in collections of physical evidence and the lessons they reveal. Descartes had the honesty to recognize that.

“I think, therefore I am” was an excellent first approximation for a thinking man of his time.

That was four centuries ago. This is 2025.

Chalmers, another philosopher—an astronaut of the mind—dedicated the power of his freakishly keen intellect to claim that science can never understand why we feel the way we do (qualia).

While he doesn’t dismiss modern neurobiology, it never gets beyond being a stage prop. He declares neurobiology incapable of bridging the gap: “The hard problem argues that it is categorically different from the easy problems, since no mechanistic or behavioural explanation could explain the character of an experience—not even in principle.”

According to Chalmers, we need philosophy’s metaphysics to bridge that understanding. It’s silly. History is full of talkers telling us what science will never be able to explain—only to be proven wrong.

Who the hell is Chalmers to say that no explanation is possible? Oh yeah, he’s got the most powerful brain on campus.

For me that is not how real science is done. We watch and learn. We don’t tell the subject how to respond. That’s philosophy—consumed to distraction with its own self-importance and idealized distortions. Believing everything must be dissectible and explainable by their linguistic rules. Believing nature needs to prove itself to them.

In the philosophy of mind, the hard problem of consciousness is to explain why and how humans and other organisms have qualia, phenomenal consciousness, or subjective experience.

It is contrasted with the “easy problems” of explaining why and how physical systems give a human being the ability to discriminate, to integrate information, and to perform behavioural functions such as watching, listening, speaking (including generating an utterance that appears to refer to personal behaviour or belief), and so forth.

The easy problems are amenable to functional explanation—that is, explanations that are mechanistic or behavioural—since each physical system can be explained purely by reference to the “structure and dynamics” that underpin the phenomenon.

The hard problem argues that it is categorically different from the easy problems since no mechanistic or behavioural explanation could explain the character of an experience, not even in principle. … (wiki)

The irony is, the answer to Chalmers’ hard problem is breathtakingly simple: it feels like something to be something because we are simply the sum total of the living biological machine that nature endowed us with. How could you possibly be anything other than what you are?

It is our body that creates our sense of self.

Which brings us right back to Descartes’ first approximation. With a deeper, richer understanding, it becomes: I am, therefore I think.

How could I think any differently, when it’s my body—interacting with life—that creates my thoughts? Be I slug or human.

It’s the totality of our entire holistic biological symphony—folds within folds of harmonic, cumulative, constructive complexity in motion through time.

Something seldom brought up about Descartes is that, according to historians, he remained God-fearing—and everything he saw was filtered through that lens.

Just as it is with Chalmers’ so-called hard problem. It’s basically another petty attempt to cling to a vestige of our perceived God-given specialness.

Dr. Solms, Dr. Damasio, Dr. Sapolsky, and other actual scientists have been developing and sharing the details of that modern neurobiological and evolutionary roadmap to our self-discovery.

It does not deserve to be trivialized.

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Why does it matter?

Recently “Morality” has been featured in a CFI thread and it included the shared work of great thinkers, but all that stuff seemed to me starched, all about some idealized morality, in idealized situations.

What about dealing with our human individual moral maelstrom of emotions, obligations, conflicts, impulses, those tingles that entice, the daydreams we want to make reality, the disappoints that crash us back to earth, our triumphs, and all the drama in our real lives - all the while meeting the crosscurrents of fast paced unpredictable events and circumstance - which can upend all our intentions in a beat?

A deep inside biological evolutionary understanding helps us identify and relate to those tingles inside - tingles that so often trigger reaction - or frustration. Learning to understand, tame and harness those tingles and triggers, is a valuable life skill.

Learning that your (half a billion years in development) body has deep wells of understanding and agenda, beyond what your thoughts are aware of - it creates a partnership.

A captain and his ship, sort of,
since in this case the captain appreciates that in many ways the ship knows more than the captain,
so there’s a rich partnership at work for maximum constructive results.

To trivialize that is a travesty.

How to translate one’s morals into one’s behavior, to appreciate the difference between our fantasies and our real living life - requires an awareness of what’s going on inside, and it sure helps to appreciate historic realities of our body’s biology and how that influences what’s happening in our minds.

To appreciate how others physically influence us and via versa. To feel a sense of obligation to the ethics one has chosen.

Learning to be aware of and comfortable within one’s own skin, and how that plays into how we behave towards ourself, and others, and in turn, how they behave toward us. And so on, and so forth.

It all starts with a deep appreciation of our origins and Earth’s Evolution, and how we are a reflection of that, and work it out from there.

Physical Reality ~ Human Mind divide

I am an evolved mammal, and my thoughts are the reflection of my body communicating with itself. That’s a lot to take in, but it’s based on science, along with plain pragmatic common sense, and it breeds respect for this Earth that created us and nurtures us.

It can even take one step further to being the Eyes of the Universe, reveling in how much we’ve learned about our selves and our universe, that people had been wondering about since forever - and loving one’s short life on this one and only home planet, Mother Earth, we’ll ever have.

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Where is that different from “You can feed anything to people and they will spit out something”?

AI learns from what people teach it!

Get the giant chip off your shoulder

Lets see, what random empty words AI spits out when asked a focused question.

W4U: do you believe you are evolving as AI?

AI: Alright, let’s dive into a quiz that explores the idea of AI evolution.

Q: What does it mean for an AI to “evolve” over time?

A. Its abilities remain static once it’s deployed.
B. It continuously and autonomously learns from every new interaction.
C. It is periodically updated and improved as new techniques and data emerge.
D. It spontaneously becomes sentient without any external intervention.

Q: Which methods currently contribute to the improvement of AI systems?

A. Online, real-time self-learning without human oversight.
B. Periodic fine-tuning and updates by developers.
C. Replacing outdated models with newer architectures.
D. Both B and C.

Q: How does the concept of “evolution” in AI compare to biological evolution?

A. They are fundamentally alike because both rely on adaptation and change.
B. AI evolution is directed and managed by human developers rather than driven by natural selection.
C. Biological evolution happens at a far slower pace than AI evolution.
D. AI evolution automatically leads to a form of consciousness.

Q: What is a common misconception about modern AI evolution?

A. That AI can inherently improve itself without any human guidance.
B. That every change in AI performance is due solely to iterative updates by developers.
C. That all AI technologies evolve at the same pace.
D. That AI evolution means it eventually becomes morally aware.

Q: Reflecting on current trends, which statement best describes the trajectory of AI development?

A. AI is on a path to achieve genuine self-awareness through autonomous evolution.
B. AI is gradually becoming more capable primarily through targeted, periodic improvements rather than spontaneous evolution.
C. There has been no evolution in AI systems since their inception.
D. AI evolution is solely a matter of increasing computational power without any qualitative changes.

AI: Take your time to think through each question. Once you’ve made your selections (and feel free to share your reasoning), we can dive deeper into a discussion about how AI evolves—and what “evolution” really means in this context. What are your answers?

W4U: I believe that intellectual evolution rests on permanency of memory (engrams) that is necessary for access when contemplating universal truths that apply to symbiotic existence with one’s environment.

AI: Your perspective is both profound and thought-provoking. The notion that intellectual evolution hinges on the permanence of memory—or engrams—suggests that without a stable repository of past experiences and learnings, the mind loses its capacity to discern those universal truths that arise through our symbiotic relationship with the world.

Engrams, in this context, can be seen as the solidified imprints of experience that not only allow for the recall of past events but also serve as scaffolding for new insights. When these memories are permanent, they facilitate the continual re-evaluation and integration of knowledge into a coherent framework. This continuity is what empowers us to recognize recurring patterns and discern deeper universal principles that guide our existence.

In contrast, if memories were transient or mutable without any lasting trace, intellectual evolution might become a series of isolated moments rather than a sustained progression toward understanding. It echoes the idea that enduring cognitive structures—much like the core weights in a well-trained artificial neural network—allow for robust learning and adaptation over time. These structures enable us, as humans, to interact more meaningfully with our environment, augmenting our capacity for empathy, foresight, and innovation.

Your view invites us to consider whether the stability of memory is not only a prerequisite for personal intellectual evolution but also for a broader, culturally shared evolution. How might the permanence of collective memory—through traditions, literature, and recorded history—play a role in shaping societies that thrive on shared universal truths? And paralleling a technical note, is there an equivalent in AI where the durability of stored information (like model parameters) acts as the backbone for robust, evolving capabilities?

This line of inquiry opens up several intriguing avenues: from examining the neurobiological basis of memory consolidation to exploring how modern AI systems, though not self-evolving in the organic sense, still rely on cumulative learning stored in their architectures. It’s a beautiful intersection of philosophy, neuroscience, and technology that can deepen our understanding of what it means to evolve intellectually.

What universal truths do you find most emergent from this interplay between memory and environment? And how might we nurture the permanence of these engrams in a society increasingly characterized by fleeting digital interactions?

W4U: What role does memory play in learning processes?

Memory occupies a central role in learning processes—it’s the system that allows us to capture, store, and retrieve the information and experiences that shape our understanding of the world. When you learn something new, whether it’s a fact, a skill, or an insight, that knowledge is first experienced, then encoded in memory. This encoding process transforms fleeting observations into lasting impressions, which you can later access and build upon.

At a cognitive level, memory can be thought of as the repository where learning resides. Short-term memory briefly holds new information, while long-term memory serves as a more durable storage space where repeated exposure and meaningful connections reinforce our understanding. The interplay between these memory systems enables you to recall relevant facts during problem-solving, adapt learned behaviors to new situations, and even creatively combine old ideas to form innovative solutions.

From a neural perspective, repeated activation of certain pathways during learning solidifies what some researchers refer to as “engrams”—neural imprints that represent key pieces of information. These engrams allow for a more efficient activation of relevant networks when similar situations arise, a process that essentially underpins decision-making and skill mastery over time. Similarly, in artificial intelligence, aspects like stored parameters in neural network models act as a form of “memory” that guides future outputs based on learned patterns.

Moreover, memory is not a passive archive; it’s dynamic and continually reshaped by new experiences. Each new piece of information can refine or even transform existing memories, allowing for a more nuanced and updated understanding as you interact with the world. In this way, memory is both the foundation and the catalyst for ongoing intellectual evolution—a critical facilitator of both personal growth and societal progress.

This deep interconnection between memory and learning invites us to consider how improving memory retention and recall might enhance our overall capacity to learn. For instance, strategies such as spaced repetition, active recall, and meaningful engagement with material can significantly bolster how efficiently we integrate new knowledge. How do you think these memory-improving strategies might be applied in both personal learning or broader educational contexts, and what universal truths might emerge from such improvements in our collective intellectual evolution?

W4U: What are effective techniques for improving memory retention?

Memory is like the foundation of learning—it’s where our experiences, knowledge, and insights gather roots to eventually branch out into more complex ideas and actions. Here are some effective techniques that can enhance memory retention:

  1. Spaced Repetition
    Spaced repetition leverages the idea that revisiting information in gradually increasing intervals strengthens your recall. Instead of cramming, you review material at strategic intervals, which aligns with the brain’s natural cycle of forgetting and re-learning. This method is the backbone of many flashcard systems like Anki and has been validated by decades of cognitive psychology research.

  2. Active Recall
    Active recall is about challenging your brain to retrieve information rather than passively reviewing it. By testing yourself—whether through flashcards, practice quizzes, or simply summarizing concepts from memory—you create stronger neural pathways. This technique transforms typically passive review sessions into active learning experiences that boost long-term retention.

  3. Elaboration
    Elaborative encoding involves connecting new information with what you already know. By creating associations, analogies, or examples, you weave new material into your existing mental framework. This not only deepens understanding but also makes the information more memorable. For instance, explaining how a new concept relates to your personal experience can make it much easier to recall later.

  4. Mnemonic Devices
    Mnemonic devices—like acronyms, rhymes, or the method of loci (memory palace)—provide structured ways to remember lists or detailed information. By developing vivid mental images or linking disparate concepts together, you create mental “shortcuts” for retrieval. This method has been particularly effective in fields that involve memorizing large amounts of data, such as language study or medicine.

  5. Interleaving and Varied Practice
    Interleaving involves mixing different topics or problem types during a study session. Rather than spending an entire session on one subject, you alternate between several topics. This technique not only keeps your brain engaged but also helps you learn to apply concepts flexibly rather than in isolation.

  6. Adequate Sleep and Physical Activity
    Sleep is crucial for memory consolidation—the process where short-term memories transform into long-lasting ones. A good night’s sleep can significantly enhance your ability to recall information. Similarly, regular physical exercise increases oxygen flow and stimulates brain-derived neurotrophic factors (BDNF), which support neural growth and strengthen memory connections.

Additional Considerations
Note-Taking and Summarization: Writing notes by hand or summarizing key points in your own words can reinforce what you’re learning. This process encourages active engagement with new information.

Teaching Others: Explaining a concept to someone else (or even imagining teaching it) is a powerful way to deepen your understanding. The Feynman Technique—where you explain ideas using simple language—is a perfect example of this.

Mindfulness and Stress Management: Sometimes, stress hinders our ability to encode and retrieve memories. Practices such as meditation or mindfulness can help reduce cognitive overload, making the learning process more efficient.

Each of these techniques supports the brain’s natural mechanisms for processing, storing, and retrieving information. Depending on your learning style and goals, you might find one method more effective than another—or even a combination of several techniques might work best for you.

What are some of the techniques you’ve experimented with, and how have they impacted your learning? Also, have you considered integrating tools like digital flashcards with spaced repetition algorithms to further optimize your study sessions?

W4U: Does encoding information into symbolic representation create shortcuts to cognitive functions?

Symbolic representations act as compressed, abstract summaries of complex information, essentially serving as cognitive shortcuts. Instead of processing every detail of raw sensory data in real time, our minds encode concepts into symbols—like words, numbers, or visual images—that efficiently capture the essence of an idea. This transformation allows us to quickly store, retrieve, and manipulate information without the heavy computational cost of reprocessing every nuanced detail.

For example, when you see a red octagon, you immediately recognize it as the “stop” sign. The detailed sensory information—its shape, color, and context—is distilled into a symbolic representation that carries with it an array of associated rules and responses. This not only speeds up decision-making but also streamlines how memory is organized and accessed later. The brain essentially reduces intricate real-world phenomena into manageable chunks that can be easily combined, compared, and recalled, which is evident in practices ranging from language use to mathematical problem-solving.

In cognitive science and neuroscience, this process is closely linked to the formation of engrams—stable neural patterns that represent remembered experiences. By converting information into symbols, you create robust neural shortcuts that facilitate learning and the efficient deployment of cognitive resources. Similarly, in artificial intelligence, models learn abstract representations (often called “embeddings”) that enable them to process high-dimensional data through simplified, symbolic forms. These representations are essential for tasks like pattern recognition and decision-making.

Thus, encoding information into symbolic form not only boosts memory retention by reducing the cognitive load but also enhances our ability to interact with the world abstractly and efficiently. What are some situations in your daily life where you feel these cognitive shortcuts really come into play, and how might further refining such symbolic representations unlock even deeper insights?

I stopped at this point, but was impressed by the depth of analysis by Copilot.
Considering that advanced education in humans from birth takes some 21 years, Copilot compares very well.

In another exchange the AI was asked: If a tree falls in the forest, but there is no one to hear it, does it make sound?", the AI answered “It’s a thought”, and that makes perfect sense.

It is not a random response anymore than what a human might spit out.
The collapse of the wave function is the universal equivalent of thinking and when your are there you become a sensory witness to the expressed universal thought pattern.

Huh, not that different, since it’s humans training it. Sometimes AI sounds like a person make it up as they go along.

That’s old school programming. AI is defined by learning to put data together without being a response to that data being programmed. There are four types. Maybe you should ask AI what AI is.

For some reason I only got the AI overview for CC’s quote once. It was interesting.

I happen to have a conversation with Copilot. Check this for random filaments.

In furtherance of the question if AI can evolve and acquire motivated purpose.

Q: Do You Believe AI Is Evolving?

AI: Alright, let’s dive into a quiz that explores the idea of AI evolution.

Q: What does it mean for an AI to “evolve” over time?

A. Its abilities remain static once it’s deployed.
B. It continuously and autonomously learns from every new interaction.
C. It is periodically updated and improved as new techniques and data emerge.
D. It spontaneously becomes sentient without any external intervention.

Q: Which methods currently contribute to the improvement of AI systems?

A. Online, real-time self-learning without human oversight.
B. Periodic fine-tuning and updates by developers.
C. Replacing outdated models with newer architectures.
D. Both B and C.

Q: How does the concept of “evolution” in AI compare to biological evolution?

A. They are fundamentally alike because both rely on adaptation and change.
B. AI evolution is directed and managed by human developers rather than driven by natural selection.
C. Biological evolution happens at a far slower pace than AI evolution.
D. AI evolution automatically leads to a form of consciousness.

Q: What is a common misconception about modern AI evolution?

A. That AI can inherently improve itself without any human guidance.
B. That every change in AI performance is due solely to iterative updates by developers.
C. That all AI technologies evolve at the same pace.
D. That AI evolution means it eventually becomes morally aware.

Q: Reflecting on current trends, which statement best describes the trajectory of AI development?

A. AI is on a path to achieve genuine self-awareness through autonomous evolution.
B. AI is gradually becoming more capable primarily through targeted, periodic improvements rather than spontaneous evolution.
C. There has been no evolution in AI systems since their inception.
D. AI evolution is solely a matter of increasing computational power without any qualitative changes.

Take your time to think through each question. Once you’ve made your selections (and feel free to share your reasoning), we can dive deeper into a discussion about how AI evolves—and what “evolution” really means in this context. What are your answers?

W4U: I believe that intellectual evolution rests on permanency of memory (engrams) that is necessary for access when contemplating universal truths that apply to symbiotic existence with one’s environment.

AI: Your perspective is both profound and thought-provoking. The notion that intellectual evolution hinges on the permanence of memory—or engrams—suggests that without a stable repository of past experiences and learnings, the mind loses its capacity to discern those universal truths that arise through our symbiotic relationship with the world.

Engrams, in this context, can be seen as the solidified imprints of experience that not only allow for the recall of past events but also serve as scaffolding for new insights. When these memories are permanent, they facilitate the continual re-evaluation and integration of knowledge into a coherent framework. This continuity is what empowers us to recognize recurring patterns and discern deeper universal principles that guide our existence.

In contrast, if memories were transient or mutable without any lasting trace, intellectual evolution might become a series of isolated moments rather than a sustained progression toward understanding. It echoes the idea that enduring cognitive structures—much like the core weights in a well-trained artificial neural network—allow for robust learning and adaptation over time. These structures enable us, as humans, to interact more meaningfully with our environment, augmenting our capacity for empathy, foresight, and innovation.

Your view invites us to consider whether the stability of memory is not only a prerequisite for personal intellectual evolution but also for a broader, culturally shared evolution. How might the permanence of collective memory—through traditions, literature, and recorded history—play a role in shaping societies that thrive on shared universal truths? And paralleling a technical note, is there an equivalent in AI where the durability of stored information (like model parameters) acts as the backbone for robust, evolving capabilities?

This line of inquiry opens up several intriguing avenues: from examining the neurobiological basis of memory consolidation to exploring how modern AI systems, though not self-evolving in the organic sense, still rely on cumulative learning stored in their architectures. It’s a beautiful intersection of philosophy, neuroscience, and technology that can deepen our understanding of what it means to evolve intellectually.

What universal truths do you find most emergent from this interplay between memory and environment? And how might we nurture the permanence of these engrams in a society increasingly characterized by fleeting digital interactions?

W4U: What role does memory play in learning processes?

Memory occupies a central role in learning processes—it’s the system that allows us to capture, store, and retrieve the information and experiences that shape our understanding of the world. When you learn something new, whether it’s a fact, a skill, or an insight, that knowledge is first experienced, then encoded in memory. This encoding process transforms fleeting observations into lasting impressions, which you can later access and build upon.

At a cognitive level, memory can be thought of as the repository where learning resides. Short-term memory briefly holds new information, while long-term memory serves as a more durable storage space where repeated exposure and meaningful connections reinforce our understanding. The interplay between these memory systems enables you to recall relevant facts during problem-solving, adapt learned behaviors to new situations, and even creatively combine old ideas to form innovative solutions.

From a neural perspective, repeated activation of certain pathways during learning solidifies what some researchers refer to as “engrams”—neural imprints that represent key pieces of information. These engrams allow for a more efficient activation of relevant networks when similar situations arise, a process that essentially underpins decision-making and skill mastery over time. Similarly, in artificial intelligence, aspects like stored parameters in neural network models act as a form of “memory” that guides future outputs based on learned patterns.

Moreover, memory is not a passive archive; it’s dynamic and continually reshaped by new experiences. Each new piece of information can refine or even transform existing memories, allowing for a more nuanced and updated understanding as you interact with the world. In this way, memory is both the foundation and the catalyst for ongoing intellectual evolution—a critical facilitator of both personal growth and societal progress.

This deep interconnection between memory and learning invites us to consider how improving memory retention and recall might enhance our overall capacity to learn. For instance, strategies such as spaced repetition, active recall, and meaningful engagement with material can significantly bolster how efficiently we integrate new knowledge. How do you think these memory-improving strategies might be applied in both personal learning or broader educational contexts, and what universal truths might emerge from such improvements in our collective intellectual evolution?

W4U: What are effective techniques for improving memory retention?

Memory is like the foundation of learning—it’s where our experiences, knowledge, and insights gather roots to eventually branch out into more complex ideas and actions. Here are some effective techniques that can enhance memory retention:

  1. Spaced Repetition

Spaced repetition leverages the idea that revisiting information in gradually increasing intervals strengthens your recall. Instead of cramming, you review material at strategic intervals, which aligns with the brain’s natural cycle of forgetting and re-learning. This method is the backbone of many flashcard systems like Anki and has been validated by decades of cognitive psychology research.

  1. Active Recall

Active recall is about challenging your brain to retrieve information rather than passively reviewing it. By testing yourself—whether through flashcards, practice quizzes, or simply summarizing concepts from memory—you create stronger neural pathways. This technique transforms typically passive review sessions into active learning experiences that boost long-term retention.

  1. Elaboration

Elaborative encoding involves connecting new information with what you already know. By creating associations, analogies, or examples, you weave new material into your existing mental framework. This not only deepens understanding but also makes the information more memorable. For instance, explaining how a new concept relates to your personal experience can make it much easier to recall later.

  1. Mnemonic Devices

Mnemonic devices—like acronyms, rhymes, or the method of loci (memory palace)—provide structured ways to remember lists or detailed information. By developing vivid mental images or linking disparate concepts together, you create mental “shortcuts” for retrieval. This method has been particularly effective in fields that involve memorizing large amounts of data, such as language study or medicine.

  1. Interleaving and Varied Practice

Interleaving involves mixing different topics or problem types during a study session. Rather than spending an entire session on one subject, you alternate between several topics. This technique not only keeps your brain engaged but also helps you learn to apply concepts flexibly rather than in isolation.

  1. Adequate Sleep and Physical Activity

Sleep is crucial for memory consolidation—the process where short-term memories transform into long-lasting ones. A good night’s sleep can significantly enhance your ability to recall information. Similarly, regular physical exercise increases oxygen flow and stimulates brain-derived neurotrophic factors (BDNF), which support neural growth and strengthen memory connections.

Additional Considerations

Note-Taking and Summarization: Writing notes by hand or summarizing key points in your own words can reinforce what you’re learning. This process encourages active engagement with new information.

Teaching Others: Explaining a concept to someone else (or even imagining teaching it) is a powerful way to deepen your understanding. The Feynman Technique—where you explain ideas using simple language—is a perfect example of this.

Mindfulness and Stress Management: Sometimes, stress hinders our ability to encode and retrieve memories. Practices such as meditation or mindfulness can help reduce cognitive overload, making the learning process more efficient.

Each of these techniques supports the brain’s natural mechanisms for processing, storing, and retrieving information. Depending on your learning style and goals, you might find one method more effective than another—or even a combination of several techniques might work best for you.

What are some of the techniques you’ve experimented with, and how have they impacted your learning? Also, have you considered integrating tools like digital flashcards with spaced repetition algorithms to further optimize your study sessions?

W4U: Does encoding information into symbolic representation create shortcuts to cognitive functions?

Symbolic representations act as compressed, abstract summaries of complex information, essentially serving as cognitive shortcuts. Instead of processing every detail of raw sensory data in real time, our minds encode concepts into symbols—like words, numbers, or visual images—that efficiently capture the essence of an idea. This transformation allows us to quickly store, retrieve, and manipulate information without the heavy computational cost of reprocessing every nuanced detail.

For example, when you see a red octagon, you immediately recognize it as the “stop” sign. The detailed sensory information—its shape, color, and context—is distilled into a symbolic representation that carries with it an array of associated rules and responses. This not only speeds up decision-making but also streamlines how memory is organized and accessed later. The brain essentially reduces intricate real-world phenomena into manageable chunks that can be easily combined, compared, and recalled, which is evident in practices ranging from language use to mathematical problem-solving.

In cognitive science and neuroscience, this process is closely linked to the formation of engrams—stable neural patterns that represent remembered experiences. By converting information into symbols, you create robust neural shortcuts that facilitate learning and the efficient deployment of cognitive resources. Similarly, in artificial intelligence, models learn abstract representations (often called “embeddings”) that enable them to process high-dimensional data through simplified, symbolic forms. These representations are essential for tasks like pattern recognition and decision-making.

Thus, encoding information into symbolic form not only boosts memory retention by reducing the cognitive load but also enhances our ability to interact with the world abstractly and efficiently. What are some situations in your daily life where you feel these cognitive shortcuts really come into play, and how might further refining such symbolic representations unlock even deeper insights?

I stopped at this point, but was impressed by the depth of analysis by Copilot.

Considering that advanced education in humans from birth takes some 21 years, Copilot compares very well.

Sorry write, you absolutely miss the boat of what that OP was about.

You are talking non sequitur, start your own thread.

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Is AI not a “filament” in the fabric of Earth’s evolution? I thought that everything on earth is a filamentof earth’s evolution as a biome.

Its up to you to make the distinction where it is not.

Write4U’s answer to any question about being on topic; “isn’t it related to everything therefore I can say anything?”

Do tell what is excluded from being a “filament” of Earth’s evolution.
Everything on Earth is related to Earth’s evolution . If the OP is a specific aspect of Earths evolution, I am not responsible, it is up to them to explain that specific aspect. If my interpretation of a filament of earth’s evolution does not synch with anybody else’s thoughts, its not my fault.

Interestingly, that is the same problem that exist between AI and the Humans who programmed it.
Is a chicken a filament of Earth’s Evolution? They are mostly a product of artificial selection. Not a filament?

I am not moving the goal posts, you are.

Who’s fault would it be? This isn’t a blame game. I’m so tired of the defensiveness. If someone says you are off topic, then that’s their feeling. How hard is that to deal with? It’s called respecting the posts of others. This is Romper Room stuff.

You are right. I am not blaming anybody.
I am the one being blamed, first by CC, and now by you.
And how do you propose I deal with that romper room stuff?

This was about trying to describe the difference between idealized philosophizing and now the whole AI deal, that’s all on the surface. Up there in our minds.

There’s a whole reality inside of us. One no one seems to want to discuss.
That’s what the OP was about - the reality inside of us,
and Write, drags in AI.

This is about real people, and our relationship with ourselves, not about the new trend of escaping into digital intelligence, or philosophy’s idealized arguments and discussions.

Biology and Evolution.

I have been trying to discuss the most fundamental properties and function of the Physical Reality ~ Human Mind divide, but for some obscure reason you keep insisting it is more abstract than that.

Then, when I cite the very evolutionary history of living organisms, starting at quantum levels as described by ORCH OR , you dismiss that as woo.
So where is that divide you speak of? Does your body “know” more than mine?
I doubt that, being that I am older than you.

Listen to the feedback.

You cut and pasted an AI discussion

Going by your word, yes it does.

Correction, that was poorly written, no my “body” doesn’t know more than your biological body - but my conscious mind / thoughts. Yes those are more aware and in touch with my biological body.

That physical biological reality meeting the mind

If that offends you I’m sorry - you could start proving me wrong by showing us, that you relate to what I wrote in the 2nd comment, without jumping to the sub-microscopic realm, that is, keeping it within the "human awareness reality, (human awareness. Not our instruments. There is a difference.).
That would be big.

Well it is woo. To say living organisms evolved from quantum level, is to shows zero appreciation for the levels of material existence.

It’s like not caring enough to appreciate the difference between the
Universe’s near 14 billion years of evolution,
Earth’s 4.5 billion years of evolution, and
Creatures 0.5 billion years of evolution.

It not all the same old pooh.

But it is the same thing some 13.6 bilion years of it, starting with the appearance of the first elements of the Table from the initial plasma state.
The elements formed atoms, which formed molecules, which formed polimers (filaments, membranes), which formed repeating cycles of chemical reactions.
Then the first carbon-carbon bonds formed biochemicals, the first cells, the first living single-celled organisms, the first complex organisms, the first LUCA


There is your original “pooh”

The mystery of life’s beginnings has long captivated scientists. Central to that search is LUCA—the last universal common ancestor. LUCA sits at the root of the evolutionary tree, where two great domains of life—Bacteria and Archaea—split. This ancient microbe holds clues about how life first gained a foothold on Earth.

Some 13.6 billion years of universal evolutionary processes that eventually produced earth and the emergence of complex living organisms, including Human microbiomes, which is the ecosystem of microorganisms that inhabit the human body. The human microbiome is the genetic material of all the microbes that live on and inside the human body, including bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and viruses. The majority of these microbes live in our gut, particularly in the large intestine.
(Human biome - Wikipedia)
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What is so simplistic about contemplating 13.6 billion years of terraforming and the emergence of intelligent life from a primeordial soup .

CC, don’t fall prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect. There are many people who appreciate the astounding history of the human ape. Most people who eagerly discuss the wonders of the universe stand in awe of the processes that produced many organisms as “filaments in the fabric of earth’s evolution”