Yes, lots of people do not understand much.
But you posit that all people are unable to understand anything. And that speaks more about your ability to understand than those “lots of people”, who just enjoy their vacation rather than finding a deep meaning in laying on the beach, basking in the warm sun.
The “starving child” is more of a thought experiment. There are of course real starving children, and if you were one, or lived around a lot of them, that would change your perspective. The whole of my post was looking at common answers to the “how to live” question and applying the “what if you were a starving child” question as a test of that answer. Many of those answers don’t stand up to it. So, I was agreeing with you, I know that’s hard for you to see, it seems like you prefer disagreement, but I was agreeing with you. There are circumstances where “just sit back and enjoy life” is not an answer. Comfortable people say that, people who were given that comfort, who didn’t have to earn it.
The next step of the thought experiment is to determine what options are the ones that lead to comfort and happiness. That’s a longer journey. As I started out, “How to live your life is a personal decision”. I have not told you how to live your life. I’ve questioned some of your facts, I’ve compared what you say to what others say and my experiences. I get to do that. I get to choose to live if, after I add it all up, that’s the right thing for me. Oh, and, after I stare into the abyss, let’s not forget that.
I learned a new term recently. I’m not diagnosing you over the internet, since I’m not a psych analyst of any kind, but, something to think about.
Reminds me of the adage,
If you meet an [your favorite curseword] today, well that’s too bad.
If everyone you meet today is an [your favorite curseword] , then it’s you who are the [your favorite curseword] .
IF they are able to vacation and not understand deeper meaning then by default they lack perspective.
Not really, and you weren’t able to back up your point earlier so I’m not sure you understand.
How to live your life isn’t really a personal choice, since choice doesn’t exist. Even then it’s limited based on the resources you have.
Like I said already, I don’t have options left for my life so it really is hopeless.
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You know those hotlines don’t actually work right? A lot of users say the people on there make them feel worse, not better. I know because I used them in the past and recently.
There’s nothing they can do for me, especially since the center they referred me to is worthless and lied to me about what they were doing when trying to commit me. Not to mention the therapists they have aren’t very good. You just have to check their reviews to see why.
It is the ability to take time off on vacation that is the deeper meaning , the “earned” reward.
What I know. What I am sure of. What I have lived! What is 100% true is this. In 1984 one of those hotlines saved my life.
You know what I see as really, really stupid? No? Well I’ll tell you anyway. Entering a forum where caring people (and a troll or two) try to help each other. And then feigning emotional vulnerability followed by rejection after rejection of sincere offers of support.
This is not a mental health site.
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Thanks @coffee. I had a couple exchanges where I tried to discuss what unemployment percent means, but he insisted there were no jobs where he is. Maybe true but he believed the numbers weren’t true and the advertised jobs weren’t really hiring. I can imagine what he’s like in an interview.
Pretty much nothing that others experience applies to him, according to him. Under threat, he quit calling people stupid. Baby steps.
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What’s stupid is trying to repeat the advice after I said it didn’t work. I’m tired of saying the same thing over and over and people not getting it, that’s what’s stupid.
I don’t think they actually care because it’s the same canned replies anyone would give you, absent any context you try to tell them. It’s like saying “it will get better” when the reality is that that isn’t always the case.
You’re the exception then.
You think people behave the same way online as they do in real life. That’s simply not true.
As for the jobs, they aren’t really hiring. Companies just post jobs they don’t intend to fill to make it look like they’re in hiring phases.
Because it doesn’t, that’s how experience works. It doesn’t matter what happened to you, that doesn’t make it reality. I’m telling you what happened to me, and I’ve also given evidence against what you claim your experience says to be true.
Heck I even proved that filing complaints against these orgs does nothing because that’s exactly what happened when I did it.
Like…you guys just aren’t living in reality and it’s easy to show.
Your reality does not offer any solutions and I like to understand life and living on this planet.
And I enjoy that activity, research, and discovery of new or old knowledge and wisdom.
To all except “inthedarkness”, I want you to discover a modern composer who wrote a brilliant modern concerto called “finding and believing”.
If you want to experience a glorious empathic response to a simple theme of “discovery and evolution” of music itself with increasing intensity and emotional response.
Musicians who can hear the composer’s intent, report their astonishment and delight when listening to this experience of “finding and believing”.
The more you listen to it the better you understand it and the better it makes you feel. And all without words. The mark of discovering truth.
This is an odd comment. No, I don’t think people act the same online as they do IRL. Are you admitting that you’re behavior here is worse than how you would be face-to-face?
You reporting what you experience is not evidence. In sociology it’s called a “self-report”. It’s data that is known to be filtered through the individual’s worldview. You didn’t prove that filing complaints does nothing because I never saw the complaint, didn’t interview the Dr, and I don’t know what the final ruling actually was. Proof would involve all of those. This isn’t personal, but you take it personally. I can only compare what you say to other things I know, so that’s my filter.
If you are going to get mad because I’m not there to follow every step of your day and go over all the details of your troubles, then you are going to be mad at the world, a lot. If you are going to be mad because I don’t take the word of someone on the internet and accept it as completely factual, then you are going to be mad, a lot.
So, why can’t you be the exception?
If I had your attitude, I would not have had a chance to be an exception.
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It’s not about solutions, that’s how reality is.
I don’t act like this in interviews, as far as I know I don’t think anyone really does unless they are so tactless as to be hopeless.
The reality is that most of those complaints don’t lead anywhere, that’s a problem with the system. Not to mention it’s the word of a patient with mental illness against that of the staff, it doesn’t pan out well for the patient.
Because that’s not how life works. Sometimes it doesn’t matter how hard you work, things just don’t pan out.
Why would not having a chance to be an exception be a bad thing? I already explained how it doesn’t really make sense to choose life. I’m hanging on because other people say so, not because I myself believe I have any sort of future or thing worth living for. If it were painless I’d have done it already, especially since I squandered all the chances I had for change OR they all failed in the end.
One thing I learned throughout my whole life…hard work doesn’t pay off. It never did for me. Anything good that happened to me was because I had other people holding my hand through everything, on my own I just messed things up.
You might wanna take the rose colored glasses off, that’s why I said you’re the exception not the rule and if you fail to see that then you’re not in a place to advise others.
Can you not see the contradiction in that statement.
a) Apparently you have done work, “hard work”.
b) You needed help, or you would fail.
That makes you the exception, which is not odd, but remarkable. From what I see, you have good command of language and should be able to find a rewarding association in the literary world.
Of course, if you want to fail, there is no sense in trying anything, until you have conquered this “resistance” to do any work.
The psychological term is “overcoming resistance”.
How to Work Through Resistance
Sometimes you need to let go.It’s human nature to push back against things we don’t like or feel like we don’t need. Our resistance is often automatic and unconscious. Cultivating awareness can help us let go of our inner tension and embrace more opportunities to learn and grow. Apr 25, 2022
Boy, I believe that!
Yes. The moments of clarity that he has keep me coming back. But he always gets back telling us how we’re all just not getting it.
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Did you read the sentence at all? I said hard work DIDN’T pay off and I only survived because people helped me. What contradiction is there?
I can’t. That’s the short story, having a good command of English (which I don’t really) doesn’t mean I’ll succeed there. I explained why.
Not even close to what the issue is. Also anyone who uses the phrase “cultivating awareness” is often a red flag. It’s not wanting to fail, it’s failing when you try to do anything.
Also from the article:
“Or an event happens that I wasn’t expecting, and I don’t welcome it as a sign the Universe is telling me something; I push back and try to undo it or fix it or find a way around it. Just like my stiff lip, this happens to us several times throughout any given day.”
So yeah, not exactly the point you think it’s making. Nor is she reliable.
Also her advice literally doesn’t work. Questioning what you can do differently only works when you KNOW we else can be done differently and lots of people don’t know anything else. So when idiots like her say “you could just choose something different or see it another way” the follow up question is often “like what”? And they don’t have an answer for that.
If the answer was as simple as “don’t think about it” then nobody would be struggling with issues in their lives. I’ve done what she said before and it doesn’t work because it’s not really offering a plan or alternative, you’re just stewing in what you already have.
It’s weird how people who talk about awareness or attention are often the ones who are the most out of touch with reality.
And?
Because you don’t and it doesn’t matter how often I prove you wrong you insist otherwise. Just like I did with Mirana but they just couldn’t accept it because that was all they had. It was something they wanted to be true rather than what is.
I said what I said about proof. You can engage with that, show me how what you’re doing is proof, or you could not bother repeating yourself. I heard you the other 27 times.