What are you even talking about?
This was about the lack of inherent meaning. In that same vein if you arenât born liking something then thatâs not really you or a characteristic of you but you were made to like that so itâs not really you.
Because you were born, you are here, and there is nothing else.
You have a relationship with yourself, that you canât deny.
Or can you?
That relationship is what does matter.
How much or little is beside the point - it matters because you are biological living matter wrapped up within the only body you will ever know, even if itâs constantly changing.
If thatâs not enough, and you expect more, thatâs on you.
The challenge is to learn to live with yourself.
That matters.
Now youâre probably going to come back and say I know nothing. Fine.
And Iâm going to wonder, well then why do you post so consistently and passionately if you donât want someone to respond? - And Iâm thinking perhaps you need some responses, if only to let you know you are ârealâ and others can hear you, even if . . .
Not really. There is no challenge to meet or rise above.
Just because I want someone to respond doesnât mean the responses I get have merit. A lot of what I hear is more like ignorance of the problem and issues.
The case in point about filing a complaint for what the therapists office did to me sounds like someone who doesnât know how the system worked. You know where that led when I got the state involved? Nowhere. Why? Because itâs my word against theirs. Like I told them those complaints donât mean a damn but they insisted otherwise, and I was right again.
Honestly, people need to think a little harder and look around before commenting. The advice given so far has been too easy to poke holes in.
I live because killing myself is too much work and I donât really see a point in building a life nor enjoying life instead of just offing yourself. It sounds like wasted effort when in the end youâll die and forget it all. Better to just end it now and save yourself the trouble.
Itâs like I keep saying, the arguments for choosing life donât hold water because they only work if one MUST stay alive or suicide isnât an option. Otherwise theyâre allâŚwrong.
@inthedarkness
You donât have to understand life. You just have to live it.
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Literally not how anyone has ever lived in their entire life, try again.
Sometimes you crack me up. Iâve seen this on a bumper sticker, heard it from atheists, and itâs the default. Everyone jokes about not understanding life, but we all muddle through, we live it.
No, I donât think I will.
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Your arguments so far have been pretty easy to disprove. That includes the Hunter Thompson quote. People like that lack perspective on life.
I think meant âdismiss because you donât like themâ
No one is obligated to choose your prospective. He can live however he wants.
By your own words it is you who lacks perspective on life. Or else you have a misplaced superiority complex and believe that you are more intelligent and sensitive than everyone else.
Try listening to your elders, they may have a little more life experience than you.
No itâs disprove, itâs not a matter of liking it or not but itâs easy to poke holes in it.
Like that Victor Hugo quote, itâs not terrible not to live, there is no cost to it. In death there is no long any concern or desire so itâs moot point. See? That was easy to disprove.
More life experience doesnât make them right or worth listening to. People live life a certain way or got lucky and that means they think they know a thing or two but they donât. My mom was proof of that and so were other adults Iâve met. They know very little even though theyâve lived long.
Most older people live in bubbles but they try to spout their being alive longer as wisdom when they really know so little and it shows.
At least elders speak from living experience.
Can you? Do you have any experience in living? Have you traveled, seen the world?
That is some solid logic. If there is nothing there, no life, no consciousness, then there is nothing terrible.
Quotes are quotes; they donât contain definitions, nuances, or other thoughts or actions the person took during their lifetime. This one, pretty obviously, refers to what a living being does once they are alive. The first sentence wouldnât make sense if that isnât what he meant. You have to be alive first in order to die. The âterribleâ thing is not living that life to the fullest.
Now, addressing your âgetting luckyâ comments. When I first started having these philosophical discussions, and someone would say something about choosing joy, or being responsible for your feelings, or whatever, someone else would challenge with, âwhat about a starving child who doesnât live past a few years old, how can they choose anything or understand their responsibilities?â And itâs a good question. Itâs sort of a âtrolly problemâ type of thought experiment that doesnât have a perfectly clean answer.
How to live your life is a personal decision because everyoneâs life is different. As a younger person, the starving child question led me to work on having less chronic hunger in the world. I could sit and contemplate my navel about how those kids donât have choices, or I could do something about it. In my old age, Iâm thinking more about how we keep people on ventilators or give them drugs to extend their life even though it means prolonged pain. In between, I try to enjoy this chance to live, even though itâs often a pain in the butt.
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Why would that mean anything? Traveling the world doesnât mean you have perspective on anything. Lots of people do that and treat it more like tourism than anything else. They see much but understand little.
Exactly.
You donât have to be a starving child to not have options, like in my case.