You see, Direct Intellectual Confrontation can work!
The NRA Called Me Asking Questions, Didn't Expect Answers
By newreign
Saturday Feb 17, 2018
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/17/1730091/-The-NRA-Called-Me-Asking-Questions-Didn-t-Expect-Answers
... The woman on the other end of the line enthusiastically read from her script, which was filled with confrontational rhetorical questions and the NRA’s convenient answers, but she was not prepared for a debate.
"Do you know of any law that can stop a deranged individual from getting a gun?" She asked authoritatively, clearly expecting silence as an answer.
"Yes."
Wait, what?
“Don't let deranged people buy guns. Why can a lunatic walk into a gun store and buy ten guns, one of them a military rifle? That is just plain stupid. Mentally unstable people shouldn't be allowed to buy deadly weapons, and nobody should be able to buy a freaking AR-15 or AK-47."
She recovered her tongue and came back with “well criminals don't follow the law and that won't stop them from buying guns on the street."
Hmmm. When did we start talking about criminals? I thought we were on mentally ill people getting guns? Fine, let’s talk about how stupid laws in one place can affect not stupid laws in another.
“Look at Chicago," she intoned, feeling confident again despite the above observation about the unrelatedness of the new subject to the first question, ...
It's a fun read.
If we keep in mind that much of the extreme right wing agenda is built upon a snow job of deceptions and lies intend on Brainwashing unsuspecting good citizens -
it stands to reason that nice calm (difficult as that can get, it's critically important - keep your hot head at home) fact based confrontation might turn some minds around.
Sure beats just being bulldozed.
“Criminals don’t follow the law” is a stupid argument. Because it is not the criminals’ responsibility to follow the law; good socio-economic fabric reduces crime, and it is the nation’s responsibility to apprehend, correct and punish criminals.
The gun-problem is too deep-rooted in the American psyche. The Second Amendment to the Constitution needs to be ditched, and a new amendment calling gun-ownership a privilege needs to be enacted. All gun-seekers need to be subjected to serious background and mental health scrutiny. Continued ownership of guns needs to require satisfactory periodic mental health evaluation. The gun laws of the USA are a colossal shame in the modern Western civilization.
You see, Direct Intellectual Confrontation can work!
The NRA Called Me Asking Questions, Didn't Expect Answers
By newreign
Saturday Feb 17, 2018
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/17/1730091/-The-NRA-Called-Me-Asking-Questions-Didn-t-Expect-Answers
... The woman on the other end of the line enthusiastically read from her script, which was filled with confrontational rhetorical questions and the NRA’s convenient answers, but she was not prepared for a debate.
"Do you know of any law that can stop a deranged individual from getting a gun?" She asked authoritatively, clearly expecting silence as an answer.
"Yes."
Wait, what?
“Don't let deranged people buy guns. Why can a lunatic walk into a gun store and buy ten guns, one of them a military rifle? That is just plain stupid. Mentally unstable people shouldn't be allowed to buy deadly weapons, and nobody should be able to buy a freaking AR-15 or AK-47."
She recovered her tongue and came back with “well criminals don't follow the law and that won't stop them from buying guns on the street."
Hmmm. When did we start talking about criminals? I thought we were on mentally ill people getting guns? Fine, let’s talk about how stupid laws in one place can affect not stupid laws in another.
“Look at Chicago," she intoned, feeling confident again despite the above observation about the unrelatedness of the new subject to the first question, ...
It's a fun read.
If we keep in mind that much of the extreme right wing agenda is built upon a snow job of deceptions and lies intend on Brainwashing unsuspecting good citizens -
it stands to reason that nice calm (difficult as that can get, it's critically important - keep your hot head at home) fact based confrontation might turn some minds around.
Sure beats just being bulldozed.
Everything right wingers utter is built upon a snow job of deceptions and lies intent on brainwashing. They don’t know how to attempt to communicate otherwise.
Lois
"Criminals don't follow the law" is a stupid argument. Because it is not the criminals' responsibility to follow the law; good socio-economic fabric reduces crime, and it is the nation's responsibility to apprehend, correct and punish criminals.
The gun-problem is too deep-rooted in the American psyche. The Second Amendment to the Constitution needs to be ditched, and a new amendment calling gun-ownership a privilege needs to be enacted. All gun-seekers need to be subjected to serious background and mental health scrutiny. Continued ownership of guns needs to require satisfactory periodic mental health evaluation. The gun laws of the USA are a colossal shame in the modern Western civilization.
Ditching it would be the best thing, but it could also be interpreted the way the founding fathers intended. But you’ll never see right wingers willing to read it as it was written. They are masters of deception.
Lois
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In the spirit of the day i think it’s time for a small data dump regarding the NRA, its history and it’s grotesque transformation into a cold blooded ruthless machine,
bloody god-fathers to mayhem accidental as well as deliberate, more reptilian than human in nature.
But, that’s just my opinion, here I share some of the facts that support such an opinion.
How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment
The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.
By MICHAEL WALDMAN May 19, 2014
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856
fraud on the American public." That’s how former Chief Justice Warren Burger described the idea that the Second Amendment gives an unfettered individual right to a gun. When he spoke these words to PBS in 1990, the rock-ribbed conservative appointed by Richard Nixon was expressing the longtime consensus of historians and judges across the political spectrum.
Twenty-five years later, Burger’s view seems as quaint as a powdered wig. Not only is an individual right to a firearm widely accepted, but increasingly states are also passing laws to legalize carrying weapons on streets, in parks, in bars—even in churches.
Many are startled to learn that the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t rule that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun until 2008, when District of Columbia v. Heller struck down the capital’s law effectively banning handguns in the home. In fact, every other time the court had ruled previously, it had ruled otherwise. Why such a head-snapping turnaround? Don’t look for answers in dusty law books or the arcane reaches of theory.
So how does legal change happen in America? ...
Taking on the N.R.A. - The Financial Page
By James Surowiecki - October 19, 2015 Issue
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/taking-on-the-n-r-a
In the wake of the massacre at Umpqua Community College, in Oregon, Hillary Clinton promised that if she is elected President she will use executive power to make it harder for people to buy guns without background checks. Meanwhile, Ben Carson, one of the Republican Presidential candidates, said, “I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away." The two responses could hardly have been more different, but both were testaments to the power of a single organization: the National Rifle Association. Clinton invoked executive action because the N.R.A. has made it unthinkable that a Republican-controlled Congress could pass meaningful gun-control legislation. Carson found it expedient to make his comment because the N.R.A. has shaped the public discourse around guns, in one of the most successful P.R. (or propaganda, depending on your perspective) campaigns of all time.
In many accounts, the power of the N.R.A. comes down to money. The organization has an annual operating budget of some quarter of a billion dollars, and between 2000 and 2010 it spent fifteen times as much on campaign contributions as gun-control advocates did. But, ...
16 Moments That Led the Republican Party to Embrace a No-Compromise Position On Guns
Over the past quarter century, the party has become the NRA’s staunchest supporter.
BY DAN FRIEDMAN, OLIVIA LI, AND MIKE SPIES ·July 19, 2016
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/07/16-moments-led-gop-embrace-no-compromise-position-guns/
Last week, after much debate, Cleveland’s police chief announced that attendees of the Republican National Convention would be within their rights to openly carry firearms outside the convention hall. That the announcement was necessary at all demonstrates the extent to which the Republican Party has linked itself to the gun rights movement.
Its close relationship with the National Rifle Association has developed as the GOP has aligned itself with pro-gun factions. The NRA’s own shift — from a hobbyist group into a politically focused organization dedicated to Second Amendment defense — became apparent in the 1970s, when the group lobbied lawmakers to relax restrictions on firearms ...
When the NRA Supported Gun Control
By ARICA L. COLEMAN, July 29, 2016
http://time.com/4431356/nra-gun-control-history/
On May 20, 2000, the legendary actor and president of the National Rifle Association Charlton Heston stood before the podium at the organization’s 129th annual convention with a banner raised behind him featuring the America flag and the words “Vote Freedom." As he concluded his address, Heston picked up a replica of a flintlock rifle, raised it over his head and declared, in his own dramatic fashion, that anyone who wanted to take his gun would have to pry it “from my cold, dead hands."
This iconic moment has come to define the NRA, which is now America’s leading pro-gun advocacy group. As the group frames things in a new ad campaign, gun-control laws and politicians who support them are seen as an unconstitutional intrusion on the Second Amendment right to bear arms. ...
NRA battles Florida Republicans over gun crackdown
The Florida debate will be closely watched beyond Tallahassee, as President Trump discusses various gun violence-related proposals.
By MATT DIXON 02/26/2018