ALLOWING? Do you really think they've been ALLOWING it? What would you expect them to do to stop it or even slow it down? They don't have the power to stop the growth of Atheists or Agnostics or any religion. That you think they do shows your gross lack of knowledge about the world and its people. Would you have them start perpetrating terrorist acts to keep their religion powerful and the only game in town? I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia or Iraq if that's how you think. Maybe that would knock some sense into you, but I wouldn't hold my breath.I actually like your feeling of objecting to the word, "allowing." May be I did not use the best word here. But what would you use instead? "Letting" and 'allowing" would be similar. "Tolerating" would be more offensive, as it would imply that being atheist/agnostic is bad/wrong. In any case, whatever, the word you/I use, the bottom line is that the Western Christians are better than the Muslims of the world in terms of living peacefully/respectfully with people who do not believe in religions. I am ignoring your personal attacks on me in your last two sentences here for now; as I believe that you would realize that they were wrong, if you read this article or some of my other articles. Sam (Sukhamaya) Bain
.............Sorry, my friend, my purpose was/is not really to please anyone who attacks people personally without due knowledge and diligence. You have a right to say almost whatever you want to, but that does not mean your claim that someone like me has manufactured dirt in the so-called holy books would be correct. Shove that where the sun don't shine. I was critiques your inane words, I know nothing of you personally and was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt until I read that contrived missive of yours. Don't get me wrong I find the Muslim religion pretty disgusting, but not any more so than their siblings the Jewish or Christian religions. That Saudi Arabia, with the typically unwitting help of myopic America self-interests, turned the most heinous fraction of that religion into a powerful force (with the help of a lot of lucrative arms sales, not to mention unconscionable acts of terror, that we call Bombing For Freedom.) is another story, but one you seem to care nothing about. What makes them different from post WWII Japan or Germany is that those nations became economic power houses and they joined the haves - while it is Arabians and muslim who have consistently been shat on, so they are the poorest most hopeless. Of course give utterly hopeless demoralized young people weapons of revenge. Well, nature will take it's course. But I dare say the crazed hopeless young men and women who are blowing themselves up aren't the problem - it's everything pushing them into that position that I choose to blame. You dear sir have moulded a one-sided excuse to justify your emotionally invested feelings - Your words do nothing to explain anything in a rational manner, they are purely convenient finger pointing and feel-good exercise for you. Oh and surprise, surprise, of course you see any disagreement with your words and the thoughts you express as a "personal attack" - typical. Why not simply provide more evidence and try to make your argument more convincing??? Oh yeah, because you got next to nothing of substance... so feigned indignation is what your type will work with. Sir, it's folks like you that remind me how hopeless things have gotten.However, I am actually not interested in digging dirt in any of the so-called holy booksNo, instead you're into manufacturing dirt. This has been a profound disappointing read Mr. Sukhamaya Bain. :blank:
Again, I refer you to the Koran, and ask you to talk in this forum about how the Islamic holy book treats the mothers of the human species. Would you be comfortable treating your mother, daughter, sister and wife like that?No I wouldn't, it's utterly disgusting. But then you didn't write about that, did you. You simply used that as a justification for you to go as irrational as they go. Them being wrong, does not make you correct!
but before that we need to know what they have in their minds, so that we do not regret later the actions that are likely to come from their minds. When I look at the Christian fanatics, I obviously do not like their fanaticism; but, for an example, I have to recognize that they have been allowing the growth of atheists and agnostics in the West without much serious trouble.You are generalizing and convicting people based on thought crimes. That's exactly what religion does. Not allowing potential terrorists and people who are too brainwashed to seek things like Sharia laws in the USA to enter this country is not really like ‘convicting’ them; it is a matter of withdrawing a privilege. No foreigner actually has a legal right to get immigration or even any kind of visitor visa to the USA. Awarding immigration and visitor visas fairly is a matter of principle and courtesy. However, I believe this country’s security and progressing culture of liberty should outweigh the considerations of visas for potentially wrong people.
Playing a bit fast and loose with facts aren't you Sukhamaya? Show me the secular humanists in government here in the US! Also, have you looked at other Muslim countries, like Indonesia? And where did you get this data about how Muslims here feel about the governments in their home country? First you talk about the benefits of this country, because it suits that part of your narrative, then you switch to how our government supports Saudi Arabia, because that suits a different line of thought. You have gone from bad to worse with your argument.Well, we do not really have a completely secular humanist government in the USA right now, but our country is certainly progressing toward that. For example, even the seriously conservative Ted Cruz talked about respecting the rights of Muslims, atheists and gay people in the USA in his speech in the 2016 Republican Party Convention. https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/full-text-of-cruzs-speech-trump-supporters-didnt-want-you-to-hear You talked about Indonesia to imply its secular nature. The reality of the matter is that Indonesia is too much into Islam and Sharia laws. http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-4069.html Oh, I know enough number of Muslims in the USA to know that most of them are not for separating Islam from the state in the countries that they left behind. Make your own observations and verify yourself. For example, read about the Democratic Party hero, Khizr Khan, and you would realize that he has a good deal of Islamic baggage. Read a bit more carefully, and you should not have a problem seeing that human dignity and rights for all kinds of people are the fundamentals of most of my thoughts.
From Bain’s horrible screed -
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Sukhamaya Bain: Donald Trump’s call for banning entry of Muslims in the USA was after the Islamic terrorist attack in San Bernardino earlier in December 2015, where 14 people were killed and 22 injured. Since then, the worst mass shooting in the history of the USA was committed by an Islamic terrorist in Orlando on June 12, 2016, where 49 people were killed and 53 injured.But its a fabrication of your's and other malicious minds - what these people did was certainly terror. But it was the terror of individual deranged people with easy access to weapons of mass destruction. Not of a movement that sees itself in a war with America. But you'll refuse basic facts like that. Worse you refuse to provide solid information that would support your convenient accusations. In your world, your opinion is as good a real live facts - and real life facts are subservient to and tailored to fit your passion. For example,
Sukhamaya Bain: Did he really give his life to save his fellow soldiers? The fact was that he was killed by a fast-approaching suicide car bomb at his check-post, very likely before he fully realized what was going on.Fact is you don't have a clue what happened in those moments. But you feel quite comfortable imagining it in a way that suits your passion - so in your head it's what happened, no other possiblity exists. You have shown that you have no problem fabricating a story of what you want to believe - but since you want to trash a good soldiers memory for your petty political desires, so be it. No wonder this self-propagating war on terror keeps screwing everyone on all sides of it.
Read a bit more carefully, and you should not have a problem seeing that human dignity and rights for all kinds of people are the fundamentals of most of my thoughts.Oh, what a surprise, the "do your own research" defense, which comes right after the "I know Muslims who act the way I'm saying". Next post should be, "I'm not prejudice, but..." Really Sam, go fly your flag somewhere else, you're circling back to your original claim about Khan, despite all the counter arguments that have been made here.
Really Sam, go fly your flag somewhere else, you're circling back to your original claim about Khan, despite all the counter arguments that have been made here.What counter argument? Some readers were too emotional about the "Gold Star", and did not like my utterance, with quite a few references in the article, of the reality that most people join the military for advancing career and improving quality of life, as opposed to the purpose of sacrificing life for the country. In any case, I did not fail to appreciate the sacrifice of the fallen soldier when I wrote in the article, "any death or dismemberment while serving the country in a foreign war should be appreciated and honored by the nation. Humayun and his family have been honored by the USA with their “Gold Star" status." But the point of the article was not really the soldier, it was the dishonesty and irresponsibility of the Democratic Party to display Khizr Khan, who, as I noted, had a baggage of promoting Islam and Sharia laws. I read enough to see that Khan had an Islamic agenda in his background, and asked you to verify it via your own reading. I also mentioned that most immigrant Muslims are not against Islam as the state motto in the lands that they left behind, and asked you to make your own observations on that too. Look, after so much of death, destruction and billions of dollars spent by the USA, our 'friendly government' in Iraq is a lot more Islamic than what we defeated. Our involvement in Afghanistan has not changed the Islamic nature of the state there. So, people's minds do matter, and it is critical for us to be careful about what kind of minds we import to the USA. Well, I believe I have responded to enough of the readers' opinions; and would be reluctant to do more. Thanks for your participation in this discussion. Sam (Sukhamaya) Bain
Oh yeah, the “what counter argument?” argument. Where you pretend no one has had any points worth responding to. I forgot about that one.
“Make your own observations” is not an argument, it is not a logical point. It is an insult to the person you are talking to, assuming they are either stupid or lazy. You made the point, you defend it. They were broad generalizations, so you might want to think about why that’s a lost cause before you get started. I’m sure you heard or read something once, but that doesn’t make it fact.
What counter argument? Some readers were too emotional about the "Gold Star", and did not like my utterance, with quite a few references in the article, of the reality that most people join the military for advancing career and improving quality of life, as opposed to the purpose of sacrificing life for the country.Excuse me Doug but this guy is just a plain a hole. WE HAVE ALL VOLUNTEER ARMED FORCES - It advertises nonstop about what wonderful opportunities it offers. Here check out why people join the military. Of course flag waving is at the top of it list, but take a look at all those other reasons. The military has always provided an opportunity for young people to advance themselves out of their circumstances - So your arrogant, heartless, dismissal applies to most enlisted people. I'll bet sacrificing one's own life is at the bottom of the list for every one of them! :blank:
http://themilitarywallet.com/reasons-to-join-the-military/ 1. Patriotism, defending our nation, and a sense of duty. 2. Jobs in a down economy. 3. Pay and benefits. 4. Full medical coverage for you and your family. 5. Skills and training. 6. Leadership opportunities. 7. Travel opportunities and vacation time. Benefits After Leaving the Service 8. Education opportunities after you leave the military. 9. Buy a home with no money down with a VA Loan. 10. A military retirement is worth millions.Your head is in a very ugly place Bain. And you don't have the heart and soul to appreciate people well enough to justify you stepping on your soap box. Mike is irritating as hell, but nothing like the disgusting you are. I'm curious were you ever a soldier? Do you have any real experience re military service, or is your understanding totally confined head war games?
Hillary Clinton ad featuring Khizr Khan: In emotional new ad, Khizr Khan asks if his fallen son would have a place in Trump's America | CNN Politics
Did Hillary Clinton need this drama? Would this change the election map?
Donald Trump is too idiotic and too inept in talking/debating. He has no chance in getting elected on November 8, 2016.
What this ad is likely to do is to make some Americans soft on Sharia-promoting people like Mr. Khan. It looks like a con job on America for a longer term purpose of its patrons.
Here are two links that indicate that Mr. Khan is no champion of the US Constitution.
Clinton Cash: Khizr Khan’s Deep Legal, Financial Connections to Saudi Arabia, Hillary’s Clinton Foundation Tie Terror, Immigration, Email Scandals Together
What The Media Is Not Telling You About The Muslim Who Attacked Donald Trump: He Is A Muslim Brotherhood Agent Who Wants To Advance Sharia Law And Bring Muslims Into The United States - Walid Shoebat
(Note: Please feel free to read the links and comment on the information there and on my comments and questions here. But I would not dignify anyone’s personal attack/insult on me with my response.)
You’re going to have to do better than right-wing propaganda sites if you want any credibility around here.
Breitbart :lol:
Yea Darron, hang on in a couple month’s he’s going to be sharing quotes from the newly established TTT network.
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You're going to have to do better than right-wing propaganda sites if you want any credibility around here.A fact is a fact, no matter what source reveals it. Don't we need to refute the fact, as opposed to caring about who said it? I think we need a lot more of intellectuals who would care a lot more about humanity than being politically correct. Taking about right-wing left-wing, I am not sure where the mainstream media pundits would fall; but I do not see them as any better than just serving their employers. They are hardly champions of honesty and objectivity. Here is one example: Donald Trump talks about disarming Hillary Clinton's security details to dishonestly claim that she wanted to repeal the Second Amendment and take people's right to bear arms away; and the media pundits interpret that as 'Donald Trump inciting violence against Hillary Clinton'! And that kind of rubbish goes on in the media over many days! As for the spread of Islamic fanaticism in the world; the humanist world needs to do a lot better than being politically correct. I find it utterly unfortunate that the fights, in terms of both words and actions, are mostly between different kinds of religious fanatics - Islamic, Christian, Jewish and Hindu. I think humanists need to honestly fight, at least in terms of words, against all kinds of religious fanaticism; and, of course, Islamic fanaticism is the worst kind of fanaticism that is going on in the world right now.
A fact is a fact, no matter what source reveals it.No Breitbart spins it you silly man.
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A fact is a fact, no matter what source reveals it.No Breitbart spins it you silly man. Agreed. There may be facts within the link, but when it is Breitbart, I know I'm going to have to do a lot of work sorting out fact from fiction from innuendo from bad logic, etc. I'd be glad to discuss facts, if they are presented fairly, without exaggeration and emotional appeal and assumptions surrounding them.
There may be facts within the link, but when it is Breitbart, I know I'm going to have to do a lot of work sorting out fact from fiction from innuendo from bad logic, etc. I'd be glad to discuss facts, if they are presented fairly, without exaggeration and emotional appeal and assumptions surrounding them.I mostly agree with you here. However, depending on the effect of the fact, I would be willing dig for the real fact from the corrupted version of it by cutting out the exaggeration and dumping the unfairness of the presentation. Depending on the gravity of the message, I would be willing to deal with the message even when I did not like the messenger. But, as you said, I may have to do a lot of work sorting out fact from fiction, innuendo, bad logic, etc.
.....................................................................Trump's StarThe wall needs to be much higher, maybe 15 feet, designed to look like a port-a-jon, and it should be a functional one.
J; I know what a bunker is. What you didn’t explain is that questioning Trump’s understanding of the Constitution is a legitimate question. He could have answered how his policies toward groups of people like Muslims or Mexicans fit with the Constitution. There would be no need for war analogies if he could do that.
(For those who aren’t following, JSmith wrote the numbered items, I responded, then he responded in yellow)