Speaking of Voter Fraud in the USA,

I just stumbled upon a fascinating and apparently well built website that’s catalogued a sampling of Voter Fraud Convictions, apparently for every state, though I’ve so far only checked a few, nor have I done any fact checking - which would be fun, but requires more time than I have available.

The problem is, it’s compiled and presented by an infamous Right Wing Think Tank evolved into a Right Wing Institution. My dealing with them revolves around climate science issues and goes back many years, but the bad taste they left behind lingers.

But, I am a evidence, facts, substance sort of person, even when those facts conflict with my assumptions. After appreciating the veracity behind said surprising facts, it’s then my assumptions that must reconciled and adjusted as the evidence requires. It’s unerringly left me with a better understanding which makes the bruised Ego a small price I’m glad to pay.

With that out of the way, let’s take a look behind the rumors and check out the actual statistics for yourself. Keep in mind this is a selection - the one thing I believe it does is underscore is how insignificant voter fraud actually is, compared to vote counts.

Plus seems like a handy little resource to know about.

Excellent resource.

But from the numbers I don’t see how elections could be materially affected.

Moreover it seem that the majority of cases where there was real doubt of individual discrepancies, have been discovered and litigated.

But even in a case where several thousand votes are removed, how would that affect the outcome when one candidate wins by several million votes?

I didn’t read all, but is there a case of massive fraud committed by one political party that actually would have changed the outcome of an election?

That would be Florida 2000. But it was legal, so it wouldn’t be in this database

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Hey on a related note:
What when gerrymandering isn’t enough?
Case in point:

An MSNBC panel talks about how Republicans in Wisconsin have so thoroughly rigged the election maps that a Democratic governor and a near Republican supermajority can be produced by the same election.

Wisconsin election results

I wonder how close this was to “voter fraud”?

This story is about part of their sentence is 500 hours of voter registration.

… The robocall stunt was only one of several high-profile acts the two activists used to spread disinformation ahead of the presidential election.

Together, they tried and failed to frame Robert Mueller, Pete Buttigieg and Anthony Fauci of sexual assault allegations. They staged a phony FBI raid on Burkman’s own house, successfully fooling The Washington Post into doing a story. They allegedly stole the phone of a White House liaison that Wohl was dating to tweet out false allegations from her account, then said she’d accused Wohl of kidnapping.

For their role in the robocalls, the duo is facing felony charges in Michigan, plus lawsuits from various civil rights groups and the state attorney general in New York.

The Federal Communications Commission is also considering fining the pair a record-breaking $5 million for making robocalls to cellphones without consent.

Wonder how you will blame Russia for this one

No, the Republicans are to blame. They will stop at nothing to get their way.
Have you heard Trump’s suggestion to cancel the US Constitution?

Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post

By Kristen Holmes, CNN
Updated 4:34 PM EST, Sun December 4, 2022

Former President Donald Trump called for the termination of the Constitution to overturn the 2020 election and reinstate him to power Saturday in a continuation of his election denialism and pushing of fringe conspiracy theories.

“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social and accused “Big Tech” of working closely with Democrats. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”

Your kinda guy, right?

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You are a rumor-monger. This website is not at all objective in its prejudicial accusations and unproven conclusions. If anything it completely misinterpreted the Harvard study.

All statistics can be manipulated to show any desired result.

To wit;

If the American people were convinced about the validity of the vote they would accept it. In 2008 we all knew that Obama was a socialist and accepted him as president because he was elected “fair and square”. Not a “pip” was heard.

Can you prove Obama was/is a socialist or is this something you conjured up from a dark place.

But this was not the case in 2016: the party who lost, the Democrats, did not complain at all about the voting process per se but they spent the whole next four years undermining unjustifiably a duly-elected President with false accusations of foreign interference in the elections.

I remind you that it was Trump, the Republican winner who cried “foul”, about the US electorate, not the Democrats.

But there was foreign interference committed at the public request by Trump.

No evidence was ever presented despite 4 years and $50 million spent in the investigation.

Because there wasn’t any evidence to be found about US voter fraud. But foreign interference in favor of the Republican candidate was proven and published.

And based on this utterly confused and unenlightened article , there is need to accuse Democrats of “rigging elections”?

Who do you think you are dealing with? People here can read and understand what is written.

Apparently you cannot! And if you can, you are the problem , not the US electorate!

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“Further analysis reveals that the average expert ratings of American elections are significantly pull down by electoral laws, voter registration, and district boundaries issues”

All is said !

No need to blame the democrats

But, let’s be careful, the report is about the perception of elections integrity. I don’t see how it could be otherwise.

There are a couple threads around here that deserve having this story posted as an update.

By Neil Vigdor - April 20, 2023

Mr. Lindell issued the challenge at a “cyber symposium” in South Dakota in 2021, saying he had data that would support his claims that there was Chinese interference in the election and offering the seven-figure prize to anyone who could prove the data had no connection to the 2020 election.

Because the software expert Robert Zeidman successfully did so, the panel, composed of three members of the American Arbitration Association, ordered that Mr. Lindell would have to pay up.

“Almost everyone there was pro-Trump, and everyone said, ‘This data is nonsense,’” Mr. Zeidman said in an interview on Thursday, identifying himself as a Republican who voted twice for former President Donald J. Trump. “A false narrative about election fraud is just really damaging to this country.”

‘Prove Mike Wrong:’ The five million dollar reality check

Apr 20, 2023 #msnbc #mikelindell #trump

Mike Lindell was so confident in his “evidence” that China interfered with the 2020 presidential election, he offered five million dollars to anyone who could prove him wrong.

Bob Zeidman, a computer forensics expert and Trump voter who took up that challenge and did indeed prove Lindell wrong, joins Chris Hayes.

“I didn’t really know up until yesterday whether I was going to win. I knew that I should have won. I knew that I met the challenge – because that was easy – but whether I was going to be awarded the money by the arbitrators was a little up in the air,” Zeidman says of his experience.

What’s irritating is for all my google searching, I can’t find a link to Robert Zeidman’s actual paper. So typical, every news rag is writing about the story, but try finding one with information pointing to the report itself.
Well, he says he’s writing a book on the episode now, so the details will come out eventually.

Though if anyone happens to stumble upon Robert Zeidman’s report, please do share with us.

It usually takes 5 or 6 articles before I find one the shows the details. I listened to Sam Harris on Lex Fridman today. He talked about how we consume clips of full speeches now, not full stories.

Anyway. I’m surprised more people didn’t try to get this prize.