I have no sympathy, pity or respect for Pence. One time he made the right choice, but outside of that he was either a ghost or a boot-licker.
edit: actually Still Is
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I did say “almost”. It’s like the old saying, you are the company you keep. So hanging out with the dictator and all, he sort of asked for the treatment he’s getting. One can’t expect to hang out with a dictator and get the royal treatment at the same time, especially when they decide to do the right thing just once.
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Speaking of tactics of crazy-making and inviting governmental anarchy - here’s an oldie but goldie:
Dec 16, 2021
Chris Hayes breaks down what we know about Congressman Jim Jordan’s active involvement in fomenting Donald Trump’s attempted coup: “As long as the subpoenas keep coming, Jim Jordan may want to start refreshing his memory of when exactly he spoke to Trump.”
And this is now:
Couy Griffin, a New Mexico county commissioner and election-fraud conspiracy theorist, refuses to certify the primary results for an election in New Mexico.
Mark Meadow and witness intimidation. The beat goes on . . . . . . .
Then-President Donald Trump angrily demanded to go to the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, and berated his protective detail when he didn’t get his way, according to two Secret Service sources who say they heard about the incident from multiple agents, including the driver of the presidential SUV where it occurred.
This it is what Republicans have in mind for America - Brainwashing and hatred - why would anyone vote for these unhinged trumpeters?
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) posted a series of voicemail threats made against him and his family in response to his work as part of the January 6 committee.
Trump Is Marching Down the Road to Political Violence - MAY 20, 2021
The Republican Party must counteract lies rather than indulge them.
By Peter Wehner
GOP’s violent rhetoric keeps getting worse — and almost nobody is paying attention
At CPAC, Sen. Rick Scott essentially called for eliminating leftists. Armed Republicans understand what he means
PUBLISHED MARCH 9, 2022 6:01AM (EST)
WASHINGTON —
The killing of 10 people at a Tops supermarket in Buffalo, N.Y., by what authorities say is an 18-year-old obsessed with racist conspiracy theories, has refocused attention on white supremacist ideology, the role social media platforms play in spreading it and the fatal attraction it can offer to alienated young men.
Another issue deserves at least as much public scrutiny — the unwillingness, perhaps inability, of the Republican Party to confront the growth of right-wing violence and the toleration, even outright support, it gets among a significant share of the party’s voters.
BY DAVID LAUTERSENIOR EDITOR
June 21, 2022, 7:27 AM MDT
By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Ben Kamisar, Bridget Bowman and Alexandra Marquez
By ourselves, we are nothing, working together we at least have a chance to slow down this freefall into the Republican state of anarchy and rage and violence and vengeance, which of course will feed more vengeance lust and so on and so forth.
While no one is paying any attention of the real killer monster we have created into our lives, one catastrophe at a time. Stupid people, stupid Abrahamic arrogance. Me, me, me, and I want it all.
Will biden make it to second term ? Not looking good
What makes you think that?
BTW, please change you forum name. It is not appropriate for this forum. Thank you.
There you go youguysareidiots, what a way to impress us with your superior intelligence.
A secret code hidden within your name.
Let me get my cereal decoder. 
“Yogi” sounds like nice abstraction. Everybody will love you immediately. Won’t that be nice?
Good catch Write 
Meanwhile back at the ranch
Chair of the Department of African American Studies at Princeton University Eddie Glaude and former top State Department officials Rick Stengel on the struggle to tackle the spread of disinformation.
Ministry of Truth 2.0 . Will go as well as Ministry of Truth 1.0
What’s wrong with expecting a little honesty?
Why should deliberate malicious lies be tolerated?
I got to watch malicious lies stupefy a critically important public dialogue about how fossil fuels burning was impacting our atmosphere. On the one side there was serious science that was resoundingly arriving at consistent conclusions across the board, give or take chump change differences. Opposed to them was a team of thugs, dedicated to shutting down the serious discussion and turning on the fire of hose of stupid lies and deceptions,
that we are now beginning to pay for with the drum beat of catastrophic infrastructure destroying weather events. And the liars are simply getting more unhinged. You bet we need legal weapons against that type.
The hell we don’t need confront professional sociopathic liars bent on vandalism.
https://confrontingsciencecontrarians.blogspot.com/2018/12/our-dysfunctional-public-dialogue.html
1) Uncertainties vs. known Physical Certainties
It is a disservice to constantly allow trivial uncertainties to become the focal point of the public discussion.
In real life when we get mired or overwhelmed by increasingly complex situations, we stop, back off a little, get reoriented with the big picture, reacquaint ourselves with what we do know for certain, then move forward again.
I’m not saying ignore uncertainties! I’m saying keep reminding us of the overriding fundamental certainties! Thus putting contrarian trivial pursuits into real world perspective.
- Map vs. Territory Problem
That’s getting lost on the Map and forgetting we exist within the Territory.
Sloppy usage of “Natural Variability”
“Seepage”
“Global Warming” vs “Climate Change”
It’s deniable, but unavoidable, physics.
- Responsibilities of Scientists vs
Responsibilities of Citizens and Students
Scientists are dedicated to their work, given their education and accumulated knowledge, their time is very precious and we need them focusing on their respective tasks.
They are not the ones to fight for the recognition that their work is rational, objective, factually, and morally authoritative. They’ve done the difficult task of accumulating, digesting, reporting, and filing the substantive evidence.
Who’s to defend them and the knowledge they share with society?
A HEALTHY DEMOCRACY DEMANDS AN INFORMED AND ENGAGED CITIZENRY.
- Define the Debate, A to Z
A Constructive Argument based on real facts,
with the ultimate goal being a collective better understanding of the issue at hand.
Such as a Scientific Debate where honestly representing your opponent’s position is required. Striving to understand your opponent’s position well enough to reject or modify it with the merits of your own facts and reasoning.
If one fail to convince it means something, and its our challenge to honestly figure out why. It may hurt, but it’s a learning experience for the intellectually honest. Mistakes have always been necessary learning opportunities for the stout.
Z Lawyerly Debate, winning is all that matters, facts are irrelevant obstacles to hurdle. Being skilled in rhetorical trickery is a prerequisite. Objective learning is not the object.
Amorality, misdirection and theatre are its hallmarks.
- Intellectual Confrontation
The fact is, climate science awareness is being actively stifled by ruthless individuals with bottomless bank accounts and octopus news outlets and a growing army of passionate politically active recruits of the two pronged Koch/Bannon brainwashing efforts. They have sold a lazy public a pack of lies that have become the comfort zone of all too many today.
How can the misinformation this juggernaut force feeds the public be neutralized without direct intellectual confrontation by masses of informed, concerned, engaged students, and citizens, everywhere it pops up?
{Do an experiment, go to YouTube search some climate science term, then see how much malicious garbage you need to wade through before the serious honest videos start showing up. Public input is what controls those things, our apathy is allowing their astroturfing on YouTube a free playing field. Plenty of other examples of the same.}
It’s not about attacking people, it’s about attacking the maliciously deceptive words, the lies and stupidity they’re spewing. It’s about teaching them how our physical planet operates!
Focus. Expose the dishonesty in their words and educate them.
A good resource for factual jump starts:
https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=taxonomy
- Call out False Claims & Lies
Dissect and confront their tactics rather than being played by them!
- Better than Skepticism ===> Critical Thinking Skills
Critical Thinking Skills is a clear descriptive that explains our process.
Confront Trash Talk with Rhetorical Jujutsu
Faith-based Thinking - God or EGO?
The pain of our brave new world
WE THE PEOPLE,
have the right to demand honesty when hearing what real experts are trying to convey, without being flooded with the constant deceptive and fraudulent cross-screaming of the propaganda machine of unhinged self-obsessed oligarchs and their astro-turfing thugs.
Did you say USA is in a recession?
Buddy we got way worse than a recession heading our way.
But guess you wouldn’t know about that.
This is about learning about and appreciating physical reality.
As opposed to unhinged fantasy thinking
Ministry of truth 2.0 on the case
You only shorten the original to an acronym. Please come up with something better or I will assume you are a troll here to stir up trouble.
Reads and sounds like nothing more than conspiracy, with absolutely not truth.
Right off the bat, the “instead of” critique. This assumes there are not thousands of people in the administrative branch who can work on multiple problems at the same time. Then picking at words from Kamala.
Really, has nothing to say, no substance, no policy discussion. This is a discussion forum. Please tell us what you think, not what some obscure website says is dumb.
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