I would love to see how you fabricate an answer to this. Its tough believing in something that isn't true.
You just don't know peacegirl like we know peacegirl. But you're getting a pretty good sample. :lol:
You have to keep making up more and more complicated explanations to keep all the balls in the air. You may want to try and learn something from Ptolemy's error]. He tried to do the same thing and looks pretty foolish in retrospect.
Now I have to say this is pretty unfair to Ptolemy, especially the implied connection to peacegirl. Ptolemey's predictive system was so successful it continued to be used for a thousand years after his death. Moreover, it's a myth that the Catholic Church banned Galileo from teaching the Copernican system. They prohibited him from teaching it as if it were true, as opposed to a successful predictive model in its own right. At the time, the data were empirically equivalent between Ptolemey and Copernicus, but that soon changed. In any case, long before Copernicus, a wise old Greek proposed the first heliocentric system, but the dogma of the day vetoed it, not out of religious teaching, but simply because the stars showed no parallax.
OK, sorry for the derail. Back to show! :lol:
In developed countries measles is not fatal unless a child is immunocompromised. From what I have learned, it is more like 1 in 10,000 deaths, not 1 in a thousand (which is associated with third world countries). I don't trust the CDCs statistics with a ten foot pole. They are allowing advertisements to be aired that encourage girls to get the HPV vaccine without telling them the risks.
I dont really care what you've "learned". Show me the source for that statistic. The CDC is respected throughout the scientific and medical community and for that matter throughout the world so you better come up with a pretty reputable source if you are going to refute their numbers. "I heard" or "I read" or "I learned" are meaningless statements in this context.
P.S. your long winded paste and post which is basically another useless opinion piece gives no sources so you need to come up with something else. We need citations that are verifiable
I'm not gong to get into it with you about HPV since we've already done this and you really aren't interested in the fact just a lot of baseless fear mongering.
In developed countries measles is not fatal unless a child is immunocompromised. From what I have learned, it is more like 1 in 10,000 deaths, not 1 in a thousand (which is associated with third world countries). I don't trust the CDCs statistics with a ten foot pole. They are allowing advertisements to be aired that encourage girls to get the HPV vaccine without telling them the risks.
I dont really care what you've "learned". Show me the source for that statistic. The CDC is respected throughout the scientific and medical community and for that matter throughout the world so you better come up with a pretty reputable source if you are going to refute their numbers. "I heard" or "I read" or "I learned" are meaningless statements in this context.
P.S. your long winded paste and post which is basically another useless opinion piece gives no sources so you need to come up with something else. We need citations that are verifiable
I'm not gong to get into it with you about HPV since we've already done this and you really aren't interested in the fact just a lot of baseless fear mongering.
Tell that to a mother whose child was damaged. Unbelievable! Go to the link posted at the bottom. There were graphs. The images wouldn't copy onto this website.
Tell that to a mother whose child was damaged. Unbelievable! Go to the link posted at the bottom. There were statistics shown using graphs. The images wouldn't copy onto this website.
Those graphs do not address the mortality rate they only claim to display the number of deaths in a given year
I would love to see how you fabricate an answer to this. Its tough believing in something that isn't true.
You just don't know peacegirl like we know peacegirl. But you're getting a pretty good sample. :lol:
You have to keep making up more and more complicated explanations to keep all the balls in the air. You may want to try and learn something from Ptolemy's error]. He tried to do the same thing and looks pretty foolish in retrospect.
Now I have to say this is pretty unfair to Ptolemy, especially the implied connection to peacegirl. Ptolemey's predictive system was so successful it continued to be used for a thousand years after his death. Moreover, it's a myth that the Catholic Church banned Galileo from teaching the Copernican system. They prohibited him from teaching it as if it were true, as opposed to a successful predictive model in its own right. At the time, the data were empirically equivalent between Ptolemey and Copernicus, but that soon changed. In any case, long before Copernicus, a wise old Greek proposed the first heliocentric system, but the dogma of the day vetoed it, not out of religious teaching, but simply because the stars showed no parallax.
OK, sorry for the derail. Back to show! :lol:
Yup, the dogma of the day vetoed it. Sounds familiar.
That's like saying the fact that I ingested something and got deathly sick seconds afterward isn't valid because I didn't do a study?
:lol:
Can you, or any other anti-vaxxer, cite a single documented instance of anyone getting "deathly sick" seconds after being vaccinated? No, of course not!
And even if you could cite such an example, it does not follow that the vaccine caused the deathly sickness. But you are incapable of understanding the difference between causation and correlation, just as you are unable to understand anything at all.
Right, just like when you eat and your body tells you you're full, there's no cause and effect relationship to the food you just swallowed. :lol:
Vaccine Safety Assumptions Are Dangerous
A death is a death, no matter what the cause. Every death that occurs after vaccination cannot be automatically presumed to be causally related to the vaccines recently given. However, to assume that all or most infant deaths, which occur within hours, days or weeks after vaccination, are just a “coincidence" and not related to vaccination is both scientifically implausible and dangerous.
It is especially dangerous for individual families, as well as for our entire population, to make assumptions about vaccine safety in a vacuum of knowledge. When high infant mortality rates in America correspond with the high numbers of vaccines babies are being given in the first year of life, credible investigation into the child death and chronic disease epidemic should be our highest national priority and vaccination should not be left off the table.
New Study: More Vaccines = Higher Infant Mortality Rate
Now there is a new study published in a peer reviewed medical journal that NVIC has helped to make publicly accessible to everyone, which reveals that developed nations with poor infant mortality rates, like the U.S., tend to give their infants more doses of vaccines before age one.10 The study’s authors found “a high statistically significant correlation between increasing numbers of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates." To put this into perspective, doctors give American babies 26 doses of vaccines before age one, which is twice as many vaccinations as babies in Sweden and Japan get.
Is it really just a “coincidence" that the infant mortality rate is twice as high in America compared to Sweden and Japan, where half as many vaccinations are given to very young babies?
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome & Vaccination
A mother and father’s worst nightmare is to watch their baby die before reaching their first birthday. When a healthy baby dies unexpectedly shortly after routine vaccinations, often parents ask legitimate questions about whether the vaccines did it. They are usually met with quick denials by doctors and public health officials anxious to defend the safety of vaccines.
The death certificates of many babies, who die shortly after vaccination, list Sudden Infant Death Syndrome or SIDS as the cause of death, which means that no specific symptoms or other reason for death could be found.11 That was true in the 1980s, when I was interviewing parents of babies, who died suddenly after DPT shots, for the 1985 book DPT: A Shot in the Dark,12 which Dr. Harris Coulter and I wrote at a time when SIDS – a newly created medical term - was becoming the leading cause of infant mortality in the U.S 13
Vaccine Deaths Described in 1985 Book
What I found and detailed in our book is that most babies dying after DPT shots were not found dead in their cribs without any symptoms before they died. They were dying after suffering plenty of vaccine reaction symptoms within days of their DPT shot, symptoms like high fever; sudden collapse; hours of persistent crying or high pitched screaming with arching of the back that can be a sign of brain inflammation; severe diarrhea; redness, swelling and pain at the injection site and signs of seizures that too many pediatricians were blowing off as unimportant. Other babies, who received several DPT shots, were described by their mothers as suffering a progressive mental and physical deterioration that got worse after each shot before the baby was found dead in the crib.
Inconvenient Truth: More Full Term Babies Dying in America
Several studies in the 1980s showed an association between infant death and DPT vaccinations.14 15 Today, it is thought that genetic and environmental risk factors combine to leave SIDS babies with signs of petechial hemorrhages, lung congestion and brainstem and neurotransmitter dysfunction.16 Most doctors continue to deny that vaccination is a risk factor for SIDS17 and say that SIDS has declined since pediatricians launched a national campaign in the 1990s to put babies on their backs to sleep,18 but others point out that the only reason SIDS death statistics have gone down is because, today, fewer infant deaths are labeled “SIDS" by doctors and coroners.19
The inconvenient truth remains that the numbers of pre-term births continues to increase in America and there are more full-term babies dying before their first birthday than in most developed nations of the world. 20
http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/May-2011/In-Memoriam--Infant-Deaths---Vaccination.aspx
Oh fun. We’re posting silly videos again. Here is one of my fav’s. Forget the booboo from the big bad vaccine, just don’t let Charlie bite your finger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM]
Yup, the dogma of the day vetoed it. Sounds familiar.
Permit me to remind you that when people laugh at you and Simple Seymour, they are not laughing at anyone important. They are laughing at Bozo the Clown.
Yup, the dogma of the day vetoed it. Sounds familiar.
Permit me to remind you that when people laugh at you and Simple Seymour, they are not laughing at anyone important. They are laughing at Bozo the Clown.
You're the simpleton if anyone was one. :lol:
This is actually quite funny. Here is a graph from one of peacegirls own posts (#58]). The link is to an antivaxxers post and he presents a bunch of graphs he fabricated himself. I don;t have the time to go through the data and see if he fudged things but even the questionable antivax own graphs shows the benefits of the measles vaccine.
The antivaxxers frequently point to the 1980’s as the date the MMR vaccine was introduced but the fact is that the measles vaccines was actually introduced in the early 1960’s. I think they do this in an attempt to diminish the effect the measles vaccine had. Anyway look at the graph and notice what happens to measles cases and death in the 1960’s. This is THEIR graph. Sorry I cant make it smaller
This is actually quite funny. Here is a graph from one of peacegirls own posts (#58]). The link is to an antivaxxers post and he presents a bunch of graphs he fabricated himself. I don;t have the time to go through the data and see if he fudged things but even the questionable antivax own graphs shows the benefits of the measles vaccine.
The antivaxxers frequently point to the 1980's as the date the MMR vaccine was introduced but the fact is that the measles vaccines was actually introduced in the early 1960's. I think they do this in an attempt to diminish the effect the measles vaccine had. Anyway look at the graph and notice what happens to measles cases and death in the 1960's. This is THEIR graph. Sorry I cant make it smaller
You are showing a callous disregard for children who have been hurt by these vaccines, and all of your graphs don't change that fact.
You are showing a callous disregard for children who have been hurt by these vaccines, and all of your graphs don't change that fact.
This is YOUR graph not mine. I have a deep regard for the health of children which is why I am a strong advocate for vaccines and continue to battle misinformation put out by ill informed individuals who are so blinded by irrational fear that they ignore the data and the facts.
You are showing a callous disregard for children who have been hurt by these vaccines, and all of your graphs don't change that fact.
This is YOUR graph not mine. I have a deep regard for the health of children which is why I am a strong advocate for vaccines and continue to battle misinformation put out by ill informed individuals who are so blinded by irrational fear that they ignore the data and the facts.
You think you do, but to ignore the reports of so many parents is callous disregard and opens the door for many more children to be injured by over-vaccination.
You think you do, but to ignore the reports of so many parents is callous disregard and opens the door for many more children to be injured by over-vaccination.
You need to take a class in basic science before you post anymore. You don't understand the basic concepts at all and if you don't understand why and how science works you will never understand this topic or for that matter many other important topics in current events from vaccines to climate change and GMO's
You think you do, but to ignore the reports of so many parents is callous disregard and opens the door for many more children to be injured by over-vaccination.
You need to take a class in basic science before you post anymore. You don't understand the basic concepts at all and if you don't understand why and how science works you will never understand this topic or for that matter many other important topics in current events from vaccines to climate change and GMO's
I understand the basic concepts all too well. You are adding insult to injury by ignoring a parent's cry for help after watching their child regress into autism or other developmental disorders. That is not what I call good science or good physicianship for that matter.
There is nothing to be gained in continuing this thread. We have reached an impasse. The best thing to do is to stop posting to it, which is what I will do.
Lois
There is nothing to be gained in continuing this thread. We have reached an impasse. The best thing to do is to stop posting to it, which is what I will do.
Lois
There is no impasse except for those who want to close their eyes and ears to a growing epidemic of sickly children. You are entitled to do whatever you feel is best. I will continue to post if I feel something is important to share. You can read it or ignore it; it's your choice. Being able to choose is a value that, if taken away, would be a step backward. It's a free country (I'm talking about any country that is democratic), which is why mandatory vaccines go against our basic liberties.
You think you do, but to ignore the reports of so many parents is callous disregard and opens the door for many more children to be injured by over-vaccination.
You need to take a class in basic science before you post anymore. You don't understand the basic concepts at all and if you don't understand why and how science works you will never understand this topic or for that matter many other important topics in current events from vaccines to climate change and GMO's
I understand the basic concepts all too well.
You don't understand anything at all. Because of people like you, a child in Spain is in intensive care with diphtheria, not seen there since the 1980s. He may die. His parents were idiot anti-vaxxers, like you.
I hope you are proud of your handiwork.