Political Optics

Got that right. The idea that any propaganda arm would spend effort to manipulate me, as a moderator, is, gosh, can’t think of a nice word for it. I show the reports in January. We don’t get much traffic here.

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Are you an artificial intelligence? If you are, it would be very interesting to have you on the forum as an AI research contributor.

That sounds about right for you.
I, on the other hand, believe we need to consider the roots of the problem, rather than obsessing and whacking at branches and twigs, which only transfer the problems to other twigs.

Tim, you, and apparently Love, love bashing and distorting as much as anyone.

Just look at the way you constantly try to pigeon hole me into your mind game, rather then having an actually discussion with me, which I’d be happy to have.

But, no, instead for serious discussion, I have to resort to a dialogue with f’n book, which at least strives to explain itself rationally - as opposed to your constant finger pointing at others and saying little beyond baiting.

Heck I wonder, what is it, are you guy’s into the Mr. trump MAGA cult and you resent anyone who doesn’t believe?

Is that why you resent me for posting so much about Mr. trump - oh and incidentally the reason I am posting so much about Mr. trump is because everyone else seems too lazy or apathetic and it’s too important simply to ignore.

But, it’s a fool’s errand, I know, the future is screwed no matter what I do or think.

There is an advantage to having lost all faith & trust in our future, these days I simply try to focus on one’s own behavior and interactions. Being 68 helps, aging is a bitch, but it does have it’s benefits.

Oh that brings it down to what keeps me alive and striving, it’s all about living today, as well and honorably as I can. You see honor, honesty, dignity, other people matter to me. How about you? {Have you stopped beating your wife yet? ;-)}, and tomorrow will take care of itself. Be prepared for ugly changes by not wasting today, instead strive to make it a day to cherish and remember.

So one more time to set the record - you claim I’m a one horse guy:

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Lausten, what do you think the chances are that one of these two characters will possess the clarity, integrity and honor to offer an apology, with a simply, “Okay sorry, my bad, there is live after Mr. trump.”

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I counted 12 in your reference to past postings, none of which combats your limitations in discussing anything other than trumpism in the americam political conversation.

What do you fear most?”
"I fear that love is not enough "


Good grief! W4U must be a CFI bot with that welcoming post!!

What do you fear most?”
"I fear that love is not enough "


And lordie, lordie what have you been contributing, your worship?

You’ll probably believe that’s all about Mr. trump, but you would be mistaken. Go ahead explore.

Oh speaking of exploring, if you had any sincerity about you, go escape into a trump free zone:

Or are you just here to broadcast your superiority?
I say that because you’re reminding of one of them recordings with one witty line, repeated ad nausea.

What do you fear most?”
"I fear that love is not enough "

Cute at first but then . . .
nothing to back it up, so it becomes vacuous.

“You’ll probably believe that’s all about Mr. trump, but you would be mistaken. Go ahead explore.”

All your roads lead to trump when it comes to politics. Its what has been identified about you. No need to get defensive. Just a “thanks for the feedback and its been noted” and move on !

What do you fear most?”
"I fear that love is not enough "


What he’s done to America is worth all the political attention Americans can muster.

Mr. trump is a barometer of American self degradation.

It’s important not to ignore the depths of depravity that man stands for.

But I see you seem okay with the trumpster’s brand of soulless, lawless, unpatriotic, bullying and oh so narcissist attributes.

I appreciate the observation, but the pig’s reign must come to an end. I’ll do what little I can to help share what information I can with an apathetic public.

Now I just wish you’d have something constructive to add.

Maybe you should stop feeding the trolls. Getting into name calling matches is pointless

It’s getting to the point where almost everyone is breaking rules everyday. Go to the menu, they are in FAQ. Here’s a good chunk of them

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You really underestimate the sad state of affairs here. Now you’ve labeled a brand new poster here a troll. This is like a site for elderly aspergers patients. You could at least advertise it as such. It is no wonder that your participation rate is so low here.

Now, getting back to Political Optics, from my position I can now see supporting Biden for another four years. That should be enough. FAFA

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I included others Tim. I’m trying to descalate the current fueding. It benefits no one

OK, I get it. I believe that my position is correct. Consider if you will a foreign reader who comes to this site and reviews a few of these threads. To witness moderators trolling authentic posters is exactly what they will see. As I requested write4u be done away with, so now I must admit the same is true of cc4. He portrays a kingly level on a forum? Egality is a thing now. Elitism doesn’t float; it sinks, and it stinks. Wear your crown heavy cc4, and maybe put on the chin strap, too.

Who would insult a fresh poster like that? Yet here I feel empowered to take on a moderator? Is this how bad I am, or is this how bad that moderator is? No: as I see it things are lined up here too well. The lack of authenticity is really what proves it. I’ll keep mine intact and go elsewhere in time, I am sure. In the meanwhile I rather enjoy confronting trolling controllers. You can try to reign them in, I suppose. But the fact that you are one of them is problematic. It is perhaps a sad state of human affairs; one of those psychological experiments that takes place in the basement of the psychology building on campus. Crooked cops is a thing, you know. As to how to decorrupt a corrupted system: well, if you can do it I do reccommend it, but as I review your rules you have handed your moderators quite a lot of power. Free speech played up to a line in the sand that gets edited midway is a bit like arresting Donald Trump during an election cycle. Then too, in every sport the limit of the rules gets pushed to the point of bending.

Here on this forum we see the regular burial of threads by long series of links by cc4; a supposed moderator. This is his style of moderation. Certainly it is effective. Clearly he is entitled. Let’s weigh his crown down a little more. Offended? Oh, you might say; just a wee bit. And I am not even the one who was attacked, which somewhat is a defense of what might otherwise appear to be a personal feud. I’ll be keeping my distance from cc4 and write4u on this medium, thank you very much. These are very unlikeable characters who have no support or ability to discuss actual issues. They ring hollow virtually every time. They may well be deep state actors imposed here to take this medium down. Please consider this possibility.

Your lengthy posts have the same effect, don’t they? I’m asking both of you to take a break, cool it, just post opinions, your data, whatever, and let it go at that.


CC has no bite. He can’t influence me and can’t delete a member like moderators can.

This will require one or more people biting their lip and not taking the bait. It means saying, “sticks and stones…” and not responding.

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Well, yeah there is that, though, don’t call me a one trick pony, the bitch slapping will begin.

Don’t pretend a moral and intellectually superiority when it’s obvious from one’s own words they don’t really understand their topic.

It’s shame there isn’t more interesting discussion to be had.

It’s also a shame these trolls always turn out to be pure troll, rather than surprising us with something insightful and meaningful. The way I see it, I was trying to offer bridges for communication, but the troll was simply trolling. How was I to know without giving him/her the benefit of the doubt? :sparkling_heart:

If it’s obvious we don’t need members piling on.

Could it be that people lurk here, read the banter, and decide not to participate?

They read like challenges to me. A good way elicit an emtional response.

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I did not realize that cc4 does not have moderation rights here. Somehow I got the gist that he did.
I’m a newb. So that’s how far you let people go… possibly you are special, cc4. Sort of like Lebed…

"JERSEY CITY, N.J. — A prominent
leader of the Organization of Ukrainian
Nationalists (OUN) living in Yonkers,
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a Nazi collaborator, arose with the
release of a 1985 GAO report in which
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considered “an extremely valuable
intelligence asset” by the U.S. Central
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This is the sort of thing that you can really get behind, right? Or bend over for?
I am amazed at the level of information availability that we have which confronts the programmed positions. As I struggle with the problem of the programmable human; the propagandized versus the propagandist; the one crux that has to be clung to is a pledge to seek the truth, and I do believe that in that pledge there is a corollary which positions wee humans as merely having beliefs, which means that our certainty on matters will always deserve an open stance. Of course, that open stance is a defensive one rather than a receptive one. As they say in prison: keep your soap on a rope. The proof is in the pudding. Ooh, this is getting messy… Really, CC4, it might be time to stand up again. Certainly, I do anticipate censorship on this one, and I can’t wait to see how it feels. Give it to me… Thanks CC4 for all that you take.

That tells me you are not reading some of my short and to-the-point posts. I said that moderators have a shield next to their name. Have you read the rules?

He’s not, and neither are you. I often use the term “pattern” when making decisions about members. You have lately been making many comments are name-calling and emotional. Your sources are not great, but that’s a more difficult one to discuss. CC, has been making posts with scientific backing, starting threads on topics other the Russians, and, yes, sometimes he gets a little personal in his responses.

This is a long paragraph, messy as you say, about nothing but the opinion of who believes propaganda. I’m not going to go into detail about why I don’t accept your sources, because it’s not my fight, and I don’t have time, and I’m not trying to change your nmind. It’s not my responsibility to determine what’s true. Mainly, I just keep the squabbles from turning into outright flame wars.

Censor what?

A challenge is still a simple challenge. Sure, my patience is running low and I get suckered into emotional response tit for tat - but you’ll not fine me stoop this low

I’m trying to be nicer, did you see … :technologist:

This is a common practice, on the internet, in politics, everywhere. People claim they are being censored because someone doesn’t agree with, or because someone presents a counter-opinion. It doesn’t matter who has the facts, the data, the logic, the consensus, the common sense, the high ground, the bigger bullhorn, none of that matters, at the individual level. But, it does matter on the species level of knowledge, which is where you and I also do our things.

In many cases, there is nothing CFI or me, or anyone can do to change this. People will go to their graves believing what they believe. Pointing it out on a forum with 5 active members is one of the least effective methods. I’ve posted until my fingers have turned into little stumps about the science of listening in a way that builds relationships and then you can have a reasonable discussion, so, google that, or not, I can’t make you.

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