Policing

The biggest predictor of police brutality and general distrust of police is diversity. Other factors exist, but diversity is at the top of the list.

Brutal law enforcement is the norm in “multicultural” societies, whereas law enforcement is usually peaceful in homogenous societies even if the laws are more strict and human rights are limited. Trust between people is easily established and behavior is more predictable in a homogenous society (Scandinavia for example).

What is the solution? Do we need Robocop?

The biggest predictor of police brutality and general distrust of police is diversity. Other factors exist, but diversity is at the top of the list.
The authority of law enforcement, in America, is generally accepted by all minorities except among blacks. Every reported situation of conflict, between the black citizen and the police, involves the commission of crime or suspected unlawful activity. It's similar to the relationship between the rat and the house cat. Admittedly, every time the mouser pounces, there is brutality. There is no way around this.

 

 

 

 

@Sree to say that black people do not respect police is a stereotype. Not all black people are criminals and just because they are black does not mean they are committing a crime. However, there is good reason why many black people do not trust the police and it’s for the very same reason of what you are doing. It’s called racial profiling and that is wrong. On top of it all, black people are not rats for the police to pouncing cats. Where do you come up with this B.S.?

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We need to get one of these hiding things for Sree.

 

 

Brutal law enforcement is the norm in “multicultural” societies, whereas law enforcement is usually peaceful in homogenous societies even if the laws are more strict and human rights are limited. -- oneguy
Do you have any data on this? What are you talking about North Korea? China? Maybe it appears peaceful in the marketplaces and parts of cities where tourists might be, but there is brutality happening where you don't see it.

Oneguy thinks that Police have to be brutal because we live in a multicultural society. Like that is some natural law that he has identified.

He believes that as long as there are people of different races in a society, then the society will be dysfunctional.

Is he right? That’s just the way it is?

Trust between people is easily established and behavior is more predictable in a homogenous society
There are people that I don't trust who are the same color as me. (Well maybe one is a little oranger than me.)

 

@Sree to say that black people do not respect police is a stereotype. Not all black people are criminals and just because they are black does not mean they are committing a crime.
You are saying it, not me. What I said is clearly recorded in post #329134. You can draw conclusions or form opinions based on what I said. But those conclusions and opinions are yours and not mine.

Justice Clarence Thomas is black and sits on the Highest Court of Law in the country. I am certain that his neck would never ever end up beneath the knee of a cop. Condoleezza Rice is black. She is my idea of a law-abiding American.

Sree, In post 329134, you basically said that cops are like cats and black people are like rats. Here is your actual racist and stupid statement:

It’s similar to the relationship between the rat and the house cat. Admittedly, every time the mouser pounces, there is brutality. There is no way around this.
I do think that some people are like rats, but it is a character issue, not a result of the level of melanin in their skin. Oh look! A Cat, that ate a Rat, is trying to pass it. That is an awfully BIG Rat. If the Cat ever gets it passed out of his rectum, the poor creature will likely have hemorrhoids from the terrible strain.

BTW, why does T rump so often make that open mouth pucker expression? What does it mean? He does it a lot. But with more of an open mouth. He does it occasionally when he is speaking for awhile. It is an odd mouth expression. Did he grow up sucking dicks or something?

BTW, put Clarence Thomas in some raggedy clothes from a thrifty resale shop. Stick a bunch of loose cigarettes in his pocket. Pour a little blended whiskey on him so he will smell nice. Drop him off in front of “Joe’s Stop and Shop” in a seedy part of some big American city. Call the cops and say that there is large black man who is selling “loosies”.

Then, I would like to record what happens to him. (It’s been awhile since the cops killed a fat black man for that offense, so maybe they would go for it again.)

The authority of law enforcement, in America, is generally accepted by all minorities except among blacks. Every reported situation of conflict, between the black citizen and the police, involves the commission of crime or suspected unlawful activity. It’s similar to the relationship between the rat and the house cat. Admittedly, every time the mouser pounces, there is brutality. There is no way around this.
I think blacks accept the authority law enforcement about as much as anybody else. The problem is the authority is White and they're on the wrong side of it more often than anybody else.
The problem is the authority is White and they’re on the wrong side of it more often than anybody else.
Yup, that's our big problem here in the USA: authority is white. Do you think all these liberal white self-flagellation and black rioting will go away if authority here in the USA is black?
Do you have any data on this? What are you talking about North Korea? China? Maybe it appears peaceful in the marketplaces and parts of cities where tourists might be, but there is brutality happening where you don’t see it.
Latin America has the most police brutality. Especially Brasil.

Northern Europe has the lowest amount of police brutality and the highest trust in police, which are obviously related.

Yup, that’s our big problem here in the USA: authority is white. Do you think all these liberal white self-flagellation and black rioting will go away if authority here in the USA is black?
Judging by the conditions in majority Black countries or Black-run countries, I'd say they have a different attitude about authority and law enforcement than we do; and it usually doesn't work out for most people.

White liberals might like the idea of black authority, but very few would want to live in Africa. Or even Baltimore.

Justice is not black or white.

But our “Justice” system has been structured (institutionalized) such that blacks and the poor don’t get the “Justice” that whites and the rich tend to get. Not at all.

And most of the time we just ignore that fact, until the reality stares us in the face, when, as in this case, the most precious right of all (life) is nonchalantly taken by the very people who are supposed to help protect us from crimes such as murder.

Cops, whether white or black are, theoretically, not given their authority in order to murder black men, when it suits them. Although, I guess in reality they do often have the authority to murder black men and get away with it.

The cops, that murdered Floyd, were not in danger from him. But maybe they thought they were. Maybe they murdered him to appease their own perceived sense of safety or maybe just to insure they didn’t have to exert any more effort than suited them.

 

White liberals might like the idea of black authority, but very few would want to live in Africa. Or even Baltimore.
As a white (trash) progressive liberal, I can say that I don't care whether persons in positions of authority are white or black, but I care whether they have a true sense of justice that they are determined to uphold.

But you creepy dudes see everything in terms of the “threats” that you imagine is posed by blacks and whites all being treated with equality of justice.

Your data does not support your argument oneguy.

And cut the racism already.

@sree

You are saying it, not me.

No sree, you called cops cats and black people rats in said post.

Do you think all these liberal white self-flagellation and black rioting will go away if authority here in the USA is black?

Why not a world in which all people are seen as human, not as white or black. For example, while some people may see my sons as black, even though they are really half black, I see my sons, not skin colour. When I see they father, my ex-husband, that’s the first two things that come to mind and his skin colour is the last thing. I can be with black people, but that’s not what I think about. I think about the music, the conversation, or whatever the activity is. I go to Martin Luther King Jr events and skin colour isn’t what I think about at the events for that day with other human beings. And btw, not everyone who is protesting is black. There are some white people there and at the protests tomorrow there will be white people there. KC MO, Springfield MO, and St. Louis MO not everyone is black at any of these protest and probably not anywhere else there are protests in the U.S. tonight and tomorrow, as noted in the article below:

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Protest-of-death-of-George-Floyd-planned-for-Saturday-in-Springfield-570882141.html

So please, get off this black and white crap because what happened is a HUMAN rights issue.

@timb that’s so disgusting it’s funny.

Brazil is a cesspool of corruption and now of nationalistic rightwing idiot conservatives like their current leader Bolsanaro, the T rump of South America, who is now screwing Brazil like T rump is screwing us with the handling of C-19.

Northern Europe has socialist leaning governments. Lower institutionalized police brutality, I bet, is less a factor of racial homogeneity and more a factor of populations of people who tend to be humanistic, rather than tribal, and socialistic leaning, rather than nationalistic.

But I know, Oneguy, that you are all about your idea in which you seem to think that it is a law of nature that homogeneous populations are superior to multicultural populations. You should write a book on it. RepugLIARS would love it.

I think maybe there should be some required reading before you can be allowed to post about race on this forum. Maybe a quiz. Here’s a start:

https://www.sceneonradio.org/episode-32-how-race-was-made-seeing-white-part-2/

  1. When was the first time Africans were sold to Europeans, with it justified by their inferiority?

  2. When was the last time American school children were taught about “the three races of man”?

  3. Describe the difference between a biological definition of race and a social construct of race.

 

@lausten I took African American courses with African American professors, as well as majored in psychology, with sociology courses in college, as well as raised a 1/2 black family, and I can’t answer those questions. I don’t think those three questions are the ultimate knowledge concerning race.

BTW, one of my sociology professors drilled into us that there is only one race- the human race and everything else about race is a human construct.