Palestine Israel debate

There is no reason for the Jewish people to expand the boundaries of Israel. They could stop doing that and support Jewish settlements legally anywhere else in the world.

You keep forgetting that their Arab neighbors don’t want them in their neighborhood at all. It is always the Arabs who commit terrorist attacks on Israel.

But it always ends up with Israel taking more strategic positions and land.

Zionism by Theodor Herzl, an Austrian journalist who regarded assimilation as most desirable but, in view of antisemitism, impossible to realize. Thus, he argued, if Jews were forced by external pressure to form a nation, they could lead a normal existence only through concentration in one territory. In 1897 Herzl convened the first Zionist Congress at Basel, Switzerland, which drew up the Basel program of the movement, stating that “Zionism strives to create for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by public law.”

more… Zionism | Definition, History, Movement, & Ideology | Britannica

Israeli policies connected to the ideology of Zionism which is connected to ethnic cleansing

Or is it that they don’t want a neighbor who keeps trying to move the property line?

Yes, after Israel was attacked by the Arab coalition with the “Six-Day War”.
That’s when the dominos began to fall.

The Six-Day War was fought between Israel and a coalition of Arab states in June 1967 1. The war was the culmination of hostilities that started with the Jewish state’s founding two decades earlier2. Israel’s victory in the war reshaped regional borders and power dynamics in the Middle East3. It also led to Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights4.

Remember, Syria used the strategic Golan Heigths to bombard Israel? So Israel took it and gained the strategic advantage. The spoils of war.

Israel started the 6 day war to annex more land.

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This thread spins in circles like a merry-go-round on which arguments revolve in a loop.

If, instead of using “but,” we used the word “and,” the perspective would be more accurate.

We should not say “Israel commits crimes against humanity, but Hamas committed crimes against Israel on October 7,” any more than we should say “Hamas committed war crimes on October 7, but Israel commits crimes against humanity.” We should say “Hamas committed war crimes on October 7, and Israel commits crimes against humanity in Gaza.”

The past behavior of Arab countries cannot justify Israel’s current policy, most of which signed agreements or were preparing to do so before October 7.

The right to self-defense does not include the right to commit crimes against humanity. War is the continuation of politics by other means. If Israel’s goal was to annihilate Hamas, it has failed. The only solution for it is the annexation of Gaza and the commission of genocide.

International law provides for two states, within borders defined by UN resolutions. Since 1967, Israel has done everything to make this solution impossible. The goal of the Zionist leadership is to recreate the mythical kingdom of King David. The annexation of Gaza will be a step towards that end.

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This term doesn’t refer to land. It’s movable property, like weapons. The ethics and laws of moving borders are complicated.

It does, when the land is contiguous and strategic for defense.

History from Israel’s Independence

From the western Golan, it is only about 60 miles – without major terrain obstacles – to Haifa and Acre, and Israel’s industrial heartland. The Golan – rising from 400 to 1700 feet in the western section bordering on pre-1967 Israel – overlooks the Huleh Valley, Israel’s richest agricultural area. In the hands of a friendly neighbor, the escarpment has little military importance. If controlled by a hostile country, however, the Golan has the potential to become a strategic nightmare for Israel.

From 1948-67, when Syria controlled the Golan Heights, it used the area as a military stronghold from which its troops randomly sniped at Israeli civilians in the Huleh Valley below, forcing children living on kibbutzim to sleep in bomb shelters. In addition, many roads in northern Israel could be crossed only after probing by mine-detection vehicles. In late 1966, a youth was blown to pieces by a mine while playing football near the Lebanon border. In some cases, attacks were carried out by Yasir Arafat’s Fatah, which Syria allowed to operate from its territory.

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Finally europe grows some balls. How will Israel respond ?

Had to pinch myself a couple of times to make sure I wasn’t dreaming.

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Breaking: Spain joins Italy in sending warship to support Gaza-bound humanitarian flotilla

Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has announced that a Spanish warship will set sail tomorrow to accompany the Global Sumud Flotilla of volunteer-crewed humanitarian vessels as they sail to Gaza to try to break Israel’s illegal starvation blockade:

“The Spanish government demands full respect for international law and for the right of our citizens to navigate the Mediterranean in safety. That is why a naval vessel will depart Cartagena tomorrow, equipped with all necessary means, to assist the Gaza flotilla.”

Spain to protect the flotilla
Spain joins Italy in sending a naval vessel to the flotilla’s aid after it was again repeatedly bombed by Israeli drones in international waters off the coast of Greece. Turkiye, and Egypt have reportedly also pledged military vessels in support.

Israel has attempted to smear the flotilla as ‘organised by Hamas’ to justify its attacks. Spain’s move ought to be the start of a flood of warships heading to Gaza to break the siege and end Israel’s genocide, which has already taken the lives of almost 700,000 Palestinians, but with the UK, Germany and other European nations refusing their obligations under international law, it is not likely to happen soon, particularly with the Trump regime threatening anyone who tries to intervene in the genocide in accordance with recognised international law and treaties.

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Italy sends 2 nd war ship to gaza

Greece now sends navy ship to protect flotilla to gaza !!