I don’t know this John Loannidis guy, but apparently he wrote some stuff about how science isn’t always right or something. They are talking about how the public statements about the vaccines contributed to the excess deaths in America. We could have done better.
He goes over some data for starting around 25 minutes and compares us to New Zealand and Sweden and asks why we couldn’t be like them. Sweden has a pretty awesome health care system, compared to ours that doesn’t do well with poor people. These were the major victims of the pandemic. I can see how that was caused by corporate greed and political ineffectiveness, but when you are already marginalized you also don’t have access to that kind of information or the skills to process it.
At first, we were worried that our health care providers, the doctors and nurses, would take a big hit, but they didn’t. What we needed then, and still need now, is a health society. If we treat the inequalities, we can better treat a disease that is hitting everyone. I have Mayo Clinic in my insurance network, as do my friends, and see what a difference that makes. In a pandemic, you need trust, and that had been lost a long time ago.
At 32, he says our mitigation efforts made things worse. We argued over mandates and called people stupid and caused more stress with the “essential workers”. I’m not saying I agree with all of this, but it’s worth listening to from someone who had an inside view.
“Currently, the risk for novel coronavirus in New York City remains low, while our preparedness as a city remains high. There is no reason to avoid public settings, including subways and—most of all—our city’s famous Chinese restaurants and small businesses,” said Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot . “While it is understandable for some New Yorkers to feel concerned about the novel coronavirus situation, we cannot stand for racist and stigmatizing rhetoric, or for myths and half-truths about the virus. The best precaution you can take is to practice what you would during any flu season: Wash your hands, cover your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze, and please stay home if you’re feeling unwell. The Health Department is committed to separating the facts from fear, and we encourage all New Yorkers to do the same.”
For Trump, Vance, Musk, Maga and other plots theories lovers, every one who disagree with them is ideologically motivated.
In fact, for them, the facts themselves are ideologically motivated, as they disagree with their ideology.
Trump declarations about Ukraine are a god exemple. One may agree with his policies but, either, these are founded on false facts, either he is using double speak.
some scientists have made mistakes because of ideologies, of prejudices and so. I am thinking of the eugenicists, for instance
But ideology has always interfered with science.
When the Muslims took Alexandrie, the caliph told that if the content of the books of the library were in the Quran, the books were useless, and if it was not it was contrary to Islam. The library was destroyed.
Church forbade to tell that the earth turned around the sun, because it was contrary to the scriptures
Darwin was criticized in the name of theses scriptures.
SSSR promoted Lyssenko science.
And nowadays biblists and Maga refute science for many wrong reasons.
“Skeptical of science” is a nonsense phrase. Science constantly questions every answer, so skepticism is a feature of it. It was born when we admitted we don’t have the answers. In the case of COVID, much of the critique of what was said or done stems from the learning of how to handle it was being done publicly and unfolded with the world involved. Policies changed as information changed.
Matter is that Science denial is founded on " common sense " " feelings " " immediate perception" and fake news sewn by ideologically and financially motivated people.
Covid vaccinations critics give a perfect exemple.
It was even told that Covid had been created in West laboratories, by CIA or by rich people, to justify the vaccination and introduce nano chips in the bodies of people, to control and kill them if possible.
You reveal that you never looked into it in any detail - the politicians were following their vote -
Cheap Gas prices was LAW #1 Hating taxes was JUSTIFICATION #1 Consumerism is KING and TOO MUCH IS NEVER ENOUGH was the logic.
The politicians have steadfastly ignored absorbing the breath of understanding scientists have been gathering, studying and laying out over the past half century + that I’ve been paying attention to it.
Money intimidated the poop out of scientists, which is why things are actually unfolding worse than projected - but you won’t believe until you’re standing in the middle of the rubble - bet’cha that’s how it is going to be.
There’s plenty of evidence, but people need the curiosity and brains to want to learn, that seems wholly missing from the composition of too people these days.
Climate Change: Is the Science “Settled”? - Stephen Schneider
May 13, 2010 - Stanford
(February 4, 2010) Stephen Schneider, professor of biology at Stanford and senior fellow at the Woods Institute for the Environment, unpacks the political and scientific debates surrounding climate change. -
I’m glad you answered my post about Covid with Climate Change shit. It’s a great example of you being unable discuss anything without steering it into another autistic rant.
Her detractors condemned her leadership style, saying she gave mixed messages to City Hall and repeatedly assured that most cases would be mild.
“Currently, the risk for novel coronavirus in New York City remains low, while our preparedness as a city remains high,” Barbot said on Feb. 13, 2020. She also offered conflicting guidance on the importance of mask wearing and how Covid-19 was spread — though at the time little was known about the novel coronavirus.
Barbot said she was battling instincts in City Hall to not spread undue panic.
In a clip of her interview, she said through tears she “was trying to, in that early period, be deliberate about — as the city’s doctor — taking my city through what I knew was coming. And it was hard.”
Yeah, sounds like politics, that’s what public health care, dealing with politics while trying too keep people safe - when you have a bunch of dishonest players that only want to stab others in the back (Yeah babe read MAGA) what do you expect.
These thing don’t have simple answers, and that’s all you are about.
The science and medical complex did amazingly well under the most extreme of situations - cheap attacks based on disingenuous facts and arguments suck.
READ some of that and pay attention to how difficult it is to get public health right - appreciate how many qualified sincere people are involved in a system that can’t be perfect, but that has done damned good over the past century - now the hero’s of the MAGA guys want to tear down that system and twist whatever it take to spread their poison and brainwashing into every mind they can.
