Need to confront the Trump faithful with the truth and some values

Politics and Social Issues
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CC, you quoted thatoneguy. I already told him that is flawed logic.

As for being irritating. If I use bad logic, you know that you can point that out, but if you call me stupid in the process, then you are using bad logic to point out bad logic. That will lead to more bad logic in the world.

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Not sure about what logic we are talking about here.

I’m thinking and talking about the conditions in South America that US imperialism (then as well as today) have created; conditions that are robbing people of landscapes and futures; conditions that are making life so unbearable down there, they need to escape.

Ever been in a serious choking situation, suddenly one’s sphere of awareness, makes everything else, but getting some air, disappear. Seems to my humanistic empathetic logic that is what’s happening.

<blockquote>thatoneguy:  My community comes first, and Central Americans are not part of my community.</blockquote>
thatoneguy,

I'm curious, are you familiar with the concept of "empathy" - when you hear the word what's it make you think about?

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<em>gotta run</em>
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T rump’s 5 republican members of the SCOTUS decided yesterday that they will probably kill the Dreamer’s dream to stay in our country that is the only country they have known since childhood. That decision will be finalized next spring?

These Dreamers are not drain hole crappers or scabs. They had to have something special going on to even apply to the Dreamer’s program. They are better potential citizens than most citizens. T rump wants to kick them out and T rump has a way of making his most pernicious whims come true, eventually.

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T rump’s 5 republican members of the SCOTUS decided yesterday that they will probably kill the Dreamer’s dream to stay in our country that is the only country they have known since childhood. That decision will be finalized next spring?

These Dreamers are not drain hole crappers or scabs. They had to have something special going on to even apply to the Dreamer’s program. They are better potential citizens than most citizens. T rump wants to kick them out and T rump has a way of making his most pernicious whims come true, eventually.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree — you like them and I don’t. Nothing is going to change that.

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Lausten here’s an example why I irritate my own side. You respond that it was long ago.

What the hell does that mean??? It started long ago, but it sure as hell carries into our day!!!

https://witnessforpeace.org/six-reasons-the-drug-war-is-disastrous-for-latin-america/


Drug war was/is centered in Colombia and Panama and more recently Mexico. 2018 refugees were from mostly from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador — which were never heavily affected by drug violence.

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thatoneguy,

I’m curious, are you familiar with the concept of “empathy” – when you hear the word what’s it make you think about?


Of course. My empathy extends to the people near me, not to strangers 2000 miles away.

Blame evolution.

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No, evolution ALSO made us capable of constructing a humanistic culture. Evolution has resulted in most of us having the capacity to empathize with others, regardless of where they come from. We can empathize with individuals of other species, for crikey’s sake.

I don’t think it’s evolution’s fault. I think you could have gone either way. You went tribal.

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Fact check: A list of 45 ways Trump has been dishonest about Ukraine and impeachment

By Daniel Dale, CNN, November 16, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/politics/fact-check-trump-dishonesty-ukraine-and-impeachment/index.html


It’s curious that no one has posted about the impeachment hearings. Guess, HooHum.

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In the not-too-distant past, it was thought of as improper hyperbole to add into any discussion a comparison of someone to Hitler. Nowadays, it is considered a simple explanatory addition to comments about T_rump.

 

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One thing we should be careful to avoid is depicting the United States as a victim. Since the close of WW2 the US has sought to dominate foreign resources, this was done to further the interests of “investors” (not the “working man”).

Take for example Taiwan, China strongly disapproves of US moves to sell more arms to Taiwan, yet if China began to sell comparable weapons to Cuba we’d see a lot of fuss being made by the US.

The majority of people in the US have an insular view of their own country and Trump has taken full advantage of this, Hitler did a similar thing in the 1930’s instilling the view that Germany was a victim surrounded by enemies or threats.


I don’t consider America a “victim” yet — although many Americans have been victimized by globalization, and situation is very different from Nazi Germany. At this point the problem is middle class quality of life is being eroded by third word peasants because middle class business owners want cheap labor.

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CC, the Impeachment Inquiry is a somber affair. New supporting evidence is being shown pretty constantly, supporting the original story of abuse of power by T_rump. I expect he will be clearly shown to be guilty of this, at least. The final defense will by that his crime does not warrant his removal from office. Due to the nature of his crime, and due to his nature, I think that T_rump will continue his criminal ways if left in office. If at least 20 Republican Senators do not join in to remove him from office, T_rump will become even more unaccountable to the law.