In the following dialogue, italics are statements by TimB. Bolded are statements by OneGuy.
Number 1 would be the sanctity of truth itself. (I mean even a wee bit of sanctity. They treat truth like a crack Ho that has long since reached her expiration date).
Truth is always on life support in politics. That is a blatant attempt at false equivalency. The truth under T rump is under a whole new level of attack. Like saying we’ve always used to much salt in our food, so now it’s ok to have a toxic level of salt in one meal.
Loyalty to allies might be a good value.
Nice idea but most of those allies are pawns, and they should never come before American lives. Betraying allies will most likely result, ultimately, in the loss of MORE American lives. Once there were some mujahedeen who were pawns of ours. One pawn, became a queen and BAM! 9/11 happened.
Realizing it is horribly wrong to separate young children from their primary caregivers and thereby screw up their development.
They shouldn’t have come here. Blame their parents for rushing the border and overwhelming our ability to handle the situation. So they should have stayed where they were and died, or let their sons become gang members and their daughters become whores of gang members? Instead of seeking asylum per international law? We were unable to handle the influx, due to the T rump admin’s shocking incompetence, and experiments with punishing them as a potential (tho unlikely) deterent to others.
Valuing the future rather than dismissing the reality of climate change.
True, but not a big issue for most of us. Just an issue for anyone who cares about future generations.
Valuing the former controls and system of ethics, and system of checks and balances in our govt, instead of trying to bulldoze it all down for the sake of T rump having more autocratic power. (The DOJ, says the President cannot be indicted of any crime. And now they are arguing all the way to the supreme court that the President cannot even be investigated.)
We already do that. If you valued our system of govt. You would, I think, have some major problems with all that T rump has done, is doing and will do (if he gets the chance) to unravel it so that he can center all power to himself.
Recognizing their own massive amount of corruption, instead of ignoring it, while paying lip service to draining a swamp.
How are Trump supporters corrupt? Their wilfull ignorance of all of the corruption within the T rump adminsitration while they chant “Drain the swamp!” That seems pretty damn corrupt to me.
The MAGA heads also need to recognize that T rump only cares about their wellbeing to the extent that they are available to support him and maintain his power. And recognize that he is supporting the wealthy in his economic actions, not the working class.
He doesn’t have to love us — no president is there for strictly altruistic reasons. He’s doing more for the working class by attempting to curb immigration and free trade than anybody since I’ve been of voting age. Do you really think that? Oneguy, I realize you have your foibles and tendencies toward the white supremacy bent, but I generally think of you as fair minded in your belief system. How has all the abuse he has perpetrated on asylum seekers helped the working class? As far as free trade, he blew up the Trans pacific partnership, and replaced it with a trade war with China that we are losing. How has that helped the middle class. How have any of the trade deals (that he had promised would be so easy to accomplish) helped the middle class, considering that NONE of them have been completed. T rump does not love the middle class, he loves their obsequiousness to him. He loves himself. He will be as loyal to the middle class as he was to the Kurds. If it comes down to whether something is better for him vs the middle class, he will say that he doesn’t know the middle class, he wishes them well, but they are just pawns and are no doubt corrupt, anyway, as their interests are not aligned with his own.