So then you will just stick to making stuff up
AGAIN, not playing partisan pretend time with you, for the third time.
But if you are talking about evidence to support that Russians don’t trust the vaccine, try checking out the link I ALREADY posted.
The mayor said polls suggest around half of Russian citizens are skeptical about the vaccine.
- Continue with the disinformation then. Dont cry when you get push back
I just edited my previous post to point out what I had ALREADY posted, which is the source of my claim that Russians don’t trust the vaccine, if that’s what you’re all butthurt about. I’m not your babysitter, here to read the things I link out loud to you.
I didnt get the “And most Russians don’t trust it.” your takeaway opinion from the CNN but i certainly did get the " and most Americans don’t trust it "from the USA today link.
@anton Stop bating people and try having an actual conversation.
The Russian vaccine has not been thoroughly tested to be safe and effective. In fact, the Russians who have gotten it show very similar symptoms as COVID-19, only mild ones. To me, that is up there with what I posted about the early Polio vaccine, which stopped the whole thing for a few years until the safety was assured. The Russian vaccine isn’t safe from the reports thus far and if you were to get that vaccine, you might not be so appreciative of it. Pfizer has a more promising one, which will probably be introduced to healthcare workers first because they need it most in January, late December at the earliest. Then they will give it to another sector of the population after all the healthcare workers are vaccinated. We won’t hit 80% herd immunity until the majority of U.S. citizens are vaccinated, which will take a while. This vaccine appears to be more promising than the Russian one that hasn’t been thoroughly tested yet.
Here’s the link about the healthcare works:
But it will be thorougly tested.
Double blind randomised trial of 40,000 people. The gold std.
A good thing??
@anton what’s your problem with that? That’s how actual science works.
Yes thats what Russia is doing. But you still say not good enough
No because they aren’t going with safety and effectiveness. It isn’t safe or effective if it’s making people sick.
Thats just like your opinion - man!
November 10, 2020 at 10:46 pm #337636 @antonBut it will be thorougly tested.
Double blind randomised trial of 40,000 people. The gold std.
A good thing??
November 11, 2020 at 12:03 am#337640 @anton Yes thats what Russia is doing. But you still say not good enough
From the Lancet paper @anton shared:Between June 18 and Aug 3, 2020, we enrolled 76 participants to the two studies (38 in each study).
So once again, what the heck are you talking about?
Thats just like your opinion – man!
ROFLMAO! Really? Do I look like a man? Does my name sound like it’s a man’s name? Secondly, it’s just not my opinion that you need to have several phases of testing, not just one or two before attempting to give something to the general public. This is called science.
As for opinions… seems to me you missed how scientific research works, especially when it comes to humans. First off, blind studies are not unusual. Quite often the testers don’t know who is getting what when doing research. The testees never know if they are getting the what is being tested or a placebo. Now you might wonder if no one knows who’s getting what in a double blind studied, I assure someone off to the side has a record somewhere and knows who gets what, BUT the testers and testees don’t know, as not to bias the research.
Now you have to have multiple phases of testing in order to see if results are repeatable or it’s not science. It’s just creating something and testing it for safety and efficacy. Double blind studies are considered better than single blind.
Sorry if you don’t like the various ways science goes about things to make sure results are repeatable, but that’s how real science works. BTW, if you don’t read the links, I will assume you don’t like to read and learn.
Yeah Mriana some uncomfortable truths eith westerm drug companies not liable for covid vaccine side effects
Ironically, my brother sent me the following this morning:
It’s Time to Hunker Down A devastating surge is here. Unless Americans act aggressively, it will get much larger, very quickly.ZEYNEP TUFEKCI - NOVEMBER 14, 2020
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/lock-yourself-down-now/617106/
The end may be near for the pestilence that has haunted the world this year. Good news is arriving on almost every front: treatments, vaccines, and our understanding of this coronavirus.
Pfizer and BioNTech have announced a stunning success rate in their early Phase 3 vaccine trials—if it holds up, it will be a game changer. Treatments have gotten better too. A monoclonal antibody drug—similar to what President Donald Trump and the former Governor Chris Christie received—just earned emergency-use authorization from the FDA. Dexamethasone—a cheap, generic corticosteroid—cut the death rate by a third for severe COVID-19 cases in a clinical trial. …
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has finally acknowledged that aerosol transmission happens and that ventilation is important. The initial bungled messaging and science around masks was unfortunate, but things have turned around; the CDC has even publicized how masks can help protect the wearer from infection, as well as lower the chances of onward transmission. The importance of clusters and super-spreading is more widely appreciated, maybe partly because of the highly publicized White House cluster, which is still simmering.
We have reasons to celebrate, but—and you knew there was a but—a devastating surge is now under way. And worse, we are entering this dreadful period without the kind of leadership or preparation we need, and with baseline numbers that will make it difficult to avoid a dramatic rise in hospitalizations, deaths, and potential long-term effects on survivors.
Almost every day, America is breaking new records in confirmed cases: …
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@anton . . . uncomfortable truths with westerm drug companies not liable for covid vaccine side effectsThat's the problem with right wingers Anton, you obvious haven't really learned much about vaccines, how they work and how they are developed or about their history do you?
Has there ever been a vaccine with zero side effects?
Have all vaccines involved a learning curve, with occasional unanticipated surprises happen even after the most extensive studies.
Why, because of big bad doctor conspiracies, or because it’s damned complicated, and the target is genetic and keeps changing. It’s not like building a house where if you have proper blueprints following building codes, built by a crew that’s experienced, you’ll get a wonderful house every dang time, no sir, it’s more complicated than that, don’t you know???
Now you are sharing with us that you’re feel pissy about drug companies following long established and constantly being refined protocols, for developing vaccines, such as double blind. Then in the next sentence you’re upset that drug companies won’t be liable for side effects.
Don’t you appreciate the entire point of the double blind testing is both for testing efficacy (effectiveness) and to ferret out and minimize potential side-effects?
Does Jonas Salk mean anything to you?
I don’t know, but I’ll bet you a nickel it works the same way, with ‘eastern’ drug companies too.
I’ll bet you another nickel if you used the internet in a good faith homework effort, you’d learn amazing things that you currently seem clueless about.
This post got disappeared on me.Yep, it's in the log, slightly different wording. It wasn't spam filtered. I've noticed the forum is generally working better but I don't know what happened this time.
Yeah Mriana some uncomfortable truths eith westerm drug companies not liable for covid vaccine side effects -- antonI don't expect much here, but gotta ask the question I ask all anti-vaxxers.
This has been going on for a long time. Long enough for someone to be born, maintain the anti-vax belief, go to college, learn everything there is about vaccines, learn all the science (good or bad), learn all the arguments and at that point, they should be able to expose whatever problems there are internally in this industry. Maybe not bring the whole process down, but at least show some problem with the chemistry, design a study, show a problem with testing methodology, anything.
Why hasn’t that happened?
Oh, mia culpa. The gremlin trying desperately to teach me that I need to fully edit my posts BEFORE hitting that submit button.
I’ll not bother with the listing my excuses for not learning that lesson very well. :- (
I just mentioned it up there, wasn’t complaining, beyond a slight smack upside ma head. CFI is not at fault.
{just between you and me, ain’t that a nice thing about rational balanced people, we can admit our own mistakes, even when we don’t quite learn from them. Though we do keep trying learn too. }