Lies, propaganda and fake news: A challenge for our age

Politics and Social Issues
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This is what I have been trying to point out to both of you. Both of you are using words like “you are disconnected from reality”. It means nothing to anyone. It’s non-scatalogical insult. Mud slinging for a brief dopamine hit for you, and a mess for everyone else to see. Whatever facts exist are not being discussed. No minds are changing.

Here’s some science, when you do this, the others reading it dig in their heals, double down, and engage in less rational discussion, not more. It discourages the very type of forum we are trying to build here.

From the FAQ preamble

The Forum supports the interests of CFI by creating an online community of supporters and interested inquirers into CFI’s areas of concern, which can be generally described as advancing the enlightenment project, fostering an evidence-based, scientific outlook and humanist values.

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I over stepped. Politics and history, that’s in the eye of the beholder.

Yeah but when it comes to climate science you don’t have a solid foot to stand on.

Fact for fact
rather than
rhetoric for rhetoric.

You can’t hide that you don’t understand what you’re talking re climate science as reflected in those other recent comments, I suspect because you trust people you shouldn’t. That’s why I provide source that’ll explain the physics and have nothing to do with me, or whether I’m a jerk or not.

Lausten, I’m sorry this is the wrong thread - but be clear when it comes to something like the so called global warming hiatus, that is pure fabrication BS, disconnected from the geophysics that are in play. And that needs to be called out. Yes, nice is nice, but the disingenuous game players . . .

That is black and white.

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You just did it again. I know the “what”, it’s the “how”. never in the history of explaining something has telling someone they are wrong explained what is right.

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I think of this all the time, Lausten.
Particularly the last two words: ‘humanist values’.
I am actually totally amazed at the sort of crowd that you are.
It’s partially this that makes me ponder that I am sandboxed in a deep state trapping site.
This sort of thing is done all the time by the FBI.
Scott Ritter and Julian Assange were so trapped in sex scandals.
Claims of moderation here as if it is serious do not occur.
Until when? When moderators here troll participants, and the belief systems of those moderators are so locked down as yours; strong posts are buried without any actual discussion; certainly I had hopes of better for CFI. From my lens you are exposed as a limb of the deep state. It makes perfect sense really.
The main problem with the analysis is that we may be dealing with the propagandized rather than the propagandists. Upon their programming being achieved i.e. Russiagate and Russophobia reignited to McCartheistic levels the fear mechanism seems to be enough to fog out analytical thought. You can just review these threads here and witness the dodging of inconvenient content. It’s like a dog makes a mistake on a carpet. You grab the dog and stick its nose in the mess, and the dog laps it up. Not at all what you were hoping would happen. The dog owner hoped the dog would be repulsed and embarrassed slightly by the negative interaction, and of course the nearly direct contact with the fecal matter. And yet here lays a happy dog lapping it up, and repeating the operation over and over again. This harkens back to Pavlov’s dogs, and it is worth pondering of those experiments: to what degree does the existence of the dogs cause the experiment to occur? As we feed them and care for them they live quite an easy life don’t they?

Really, we’ve all got it quite good. The existence of our free time to participate here is an indicator of that. A bum on the street of Los Angeles manages to get together a hundred dollars and posts here while waiting in line for a meal at the soup kitchen. It is possible. Each in their own microcosm; so how does it come to be that the moderators of this forum are so aligned as to malign other posters of a different persuasion? And by such low grade tactics? To be honest with you uncensored media are roughly equivalent to this site excepting the spammers who fire off ten or twenty threads in a sitting. I don’t know what to think, except that maybe the dog’s sniffer isn’t working. It’s possibly clogged by American cheese… and that will take some surgery to correct. The stuff lasts and lasts; even out of the wrapper.

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Fact is fact and clear and present lies about facts are lies.

Liars needs to be called out with facts, it doesn’t matter if they don’t get it - it does matter that other hear it.

It’s the normalization of the propaganda tool of “DOUBT IS THEIR PRODUCT” in the hands of people who hold honesty, and facts, in complete contempt because they are playing con-artist games.

Keeping polite and quiet about it is part of the reason we’ve arrive at this really dead end path on this planet that nurtures us. Appeasement and stupefaction isn’t my game.

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This is for the Issues section. You do this a lot. Stop doing it, or get banned

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You are not a modetator.

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I’ve never pretended to be a moderator.

I’m talking about public speech in general, I’m tried of manipulating facts into utter bull kacke, specifically tailored to mislead people.

Here’s an example of how the propaganda strategy of “Sowing Doubt” has metastasized into an all out attack on our democratic systems. Listen to it, rather fascinating in a horror show kind of way.

Aug 8, 2023 #msnbc #trump #2020election

The New York Times obtained a secret memo laying out a strategy to subvert the election that Ken Chesebro acknowledged likely would not pass the Supreme Court. Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe describes how Ken Chesebro perpetrated a “fraud” by selecting snippets of Tribe’s writings that “made no sense at all” to bolster a memo that “no reasonable lawyer could possibly believe.”

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I told you nice that you are not engaging other members, you are only telling them that they are wrong. That’s not what this forum is for. Go start a subreddit and yell at each other. But quit doing this here.

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Possibly here we see the CC4 exposing his own lens, and clearly it does not include the usage of skepticism in the discovery of truth. In fact, it is just the opposite, as he places in quotes and capitals:
“DOUBT IS THEIR PRODUCT”
he has exactly demonstrated the loss of the primary tool of arriving at the truth.

We have great cause just now to invest our time in these details. We have witnessed the greatest propaganda wave of all history. My course is clear: practice media accountability. By this means the lies can be exposed, whereas for a poor soul like CC4 we get:
" Fact is fact and clear and present lies about facts are lies."
There is no pathway to success here. This is a programmed mind. It has been shut down. That this has occurred I can attest to in my personal life as well. Several friends of old, who I and they will regard as intellectuals, suffer nearly the same. I suspect the span is so wide between the truth and the propagandized state that no bridge can cross. As to what happens to these poor propagandized souls who are essentially going to be elephants looking for a peanut in the corner of a round room: this is their program and possibly they will follow it to their deaths. Plenty have spent their lives on far less disinformation.

I hear it’s sloppy joe’s over at Godzilla’s again tonight… be wary for there is a slice of American cheese under the red stuff… FAFA

I suppose Time will come clean at some point…

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You are more of a problem than he is. It is not up to you to judge members on how they interact. Stick to the scientific arguments, and your own opinions about the data. Stop commenting on the intelligence or personality of anyone, or whether or not they work for the CIA. That has no place here.

There are thousands of forums where you can do that, so don’t tell me your are being censored.

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Skepticism certainly is a fundemental tool in this pursuit, isn’t it?
Can I get no concession on this?

I’m sorry, but this is data.
Each and every one of us is a data point.
Is that better? Less exclusive?
To be called a liar on the grounds of: ‘a lie is a lie, and facts are facts’ goes in terrible contradiction to the pursuits as I understand them anyways, of cfi.org. Such a statement of a supposed Inquirer is blasphemy on this forum.

The contradictions present in this contributor are problematic, as are their methods elsewhere on this forum. A large body of information exists now which is dubious. That media accountability can be practiced is well understood. For those who bought in what is there to say? They are galvanized aluminum. They are fodder no different than the Ukranians are fodder. Obviously a regard for the truth requires skepticism. To focus on one particular issue and hone down on it is a method that I recommend. I believe I have suggested that the Steele dossier is a very important instance of the power of this method.
https://www.npr.org/search/?query=steele%20dossier&page=1
NPR tripled down in support of the Steele dossier back in time. If only I was more organized to capture the events, and they are a favorite of mine, for they had my ear daily. I do so look forward to the horror stories of how the deep state took them over. Their credibility from my standpoint is less than anybody’s here. Indeed, as I see it they are the propagandist whereas we are the potentially propagandized, and yet upon biting on their bait day after day the difference wanes. This is a cultural war and this is a microcosm of that cultural war. This explains the heat at this site. It is not just here though. It is everywhere in this nation, and this nation is bringing it to the world as well.

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Find a forum that doesn’t have people calling others liars. I’m not aware of one. I’m openly asking CC to stop. I don’t like silencing people, but there are no other tools.

If you don’t think it’s right to use that term, why do you use it?

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Generally I do not use that term. I honestly don’t even take it personally. I just see the lack of analysis and the fall for the propaganda and feel the need to respond, and to hold up a strong response in support of skepticism and the blatant disregard for it by the propagandized. Yes, I am forced to engage further theories here as well as the quantity of those fitting this bill here; and particularly of those in power here; create a wall of impedance that seems insurmountable. Call it saturation; a term in use elsewhere as well. This site is saturated with a type whose minds are closed off. Those who disagree get eliminated, too. SunnyJim a fine instance, and myself a potential second in line. Now, back to propaganda, the timing on this is incredible:
https://www.state.gov/2023-secretarys-award-for-global-anti-racism-champions

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This, and accusations of being “propagandized” are pretty much the same as calling someone a liar. It’s very hard to tell a liar from someone who is misinformed and repeating lies. You can’t get in their head and see what they believe.

That’s why we have scientific methods.

Here’s a good article discussing closed vs open mindedness
https://herdingcats.typepad.com/my_weblog/2018/02/the-open-mindness-logical-fallacy.html

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The system is in an accumulated state now.
It’s accumulated lies. To stabilize these lies it needs more lies.
To believe those lies is as foolish as it gets.
As ghoulish as it gets, actually.

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The Uniparty vs The People: America’s New Political Landscape

Claims there’s absolutely no difference between Democrats and Republicans. (seriously!?)

Mention FBI agents in trouble for trying to be whistle blower with no actual references or sources

12:10 - He tells us The COVID, “plandemic” - “the product of Bill Gates’ global experimentation regime.”

12:20 Doesn’t mention the strangle hold Mr.trump had on Congress.

Thomas Massie, gets singled out as only COVID sane person in Congress, at least according to the words the speaker in this video utter around 12:30. Yeah, that Thomas Massie

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/us/politics/republicans-covid-vaccine-mandate-fact-check.html

Oh he doesn’t believe that humans are causing current and increasingly extreme global warming, either. Go figure.

14:10 Speaker tells us he hope the Covid era is ending, in a pretty good indicator he doesn’t no much about either virus, Covid, or epidemiology. Covid has become part of our landscape, yes there will be waves occurring. Fortunately we have real experts, doctors and scientists constantly working to stay ahead of the problem - admittedly these organization have been severely damaged (by dishonest media sources out to slander and damage.) over the past decade, still dedicated professions are quietly continuing there efforts.

14:12 (interestingly, this video doesn’t make a transcript available, are they scared being quoted?) " 14:06 - I hope this Covid era is over, although I think there’s another emergency brewing and they’re trying to pole test it to figure out what they can do next because that got away with it so much.

“Reminds us that there are very few restriction on the Uniparty”

I’ve got a other things waiting on me so I think that’s about all I care to listen to, since it promises to be nothing but the same smearing of facts and history.

This is what conspiracy theories are all about, a pretty face and nice voice.

Okay Lausten, I’ll sign off, though perhaps it time for a nice little music break.

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Cool. Hope you get stuff done

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Looking forward to lots more of this: