#1 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #1 / 56 #2 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #2 / 57 “Memory Hill" (AKA the - “mound of ashes / remains") = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #3 / 58 #3/4 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #4 / 59 #5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 (on the lower left in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238778 #6 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #6 / 61 #7 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #7 / 62 #8 (8/15) = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #8 / 63 #9 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #9 / 64 #10 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #10 / 65 #11 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #11 / 66 #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 (on the right containing 6 skeletons in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238777 #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 (on the left containing 1 skeleton in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238777 #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Photo can be seen on page 15 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf #15 (8/15) = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #15 / 70 #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 (on the lower right in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238778 #17 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #17 / 72 #18 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #18 / 73 #19 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #19/ 74 #20 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #20 / 75
And here are the graves that we have investigated to date:
#5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 It is alleged to have hair in it. (It must be magic hair, because non-magic hair burns during cremation.) #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 Proven to contain 6 skeletons. #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 Proven to contain 2 skeletons.So after examining 5 (1/4) of the so-called "huge mass graves" of Sobibor, we find a grand total of 10 proven to exist skeletons and some small amount of alleged magical hair. That must mean that the remaining 249,990 jews are buried in the remaining 15 "huge mass graves." Or not.
Here is the updated (and easier to follow) guide to the 20 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Sobibor. (In which the remains of 250,000 jews are allegedly buried.)These hardly talk about body counts at all. They do talk about bone fragments, ash and lime.* * * * The first 16 of the 20 so-called “huge mass graves" of Sobibor (#1/56 though #16/71 of the alleged 90) are shown in the map on page 7 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Report-by-Y.Haimi-Autumn-2013.pdf And the last 4 so-called “huge mass graves" of Sobibor (#17/72 though #20/75 of the alleged 90) aionre shown and numbered in the map on page 5 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Autumn_2015-Y.-Haimi.pdfAnd The National Association of Forensic Historians grave numbering system for Sobibor is (see following post):
Still waiting for your answer LaustenI think this would be a good time to repost my updated OP: Is this the largest mass grave (in terms of quantity of remains) ever proven to exist at SobiborLausten's answer to question #1:Yes or no? If your answer is no, then please answer this question: #54 - It is known - via a preponderance of scientific evidence - that; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. - currently contains the remains of no less than __?__ people.
No.Lausten's answer to question #2:hundreds of thousandsSo which of the following "huge mass graves:"#1 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #1 / 56 "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves:" http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf #2 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #2 / 57 "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves:" http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf “Memory Hill" (AKA the - “mound of ashes / remains") = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #3 / 58 #3/4 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #4 / 59 #5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 (on the lower left in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238778 #6 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #6 / 61 #7 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #7 / 62 #8 (8/15) = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #8 / 63 #9 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #9 / 64 #10 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #10 / 65 #11 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #11 / 66 #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 (on the right containing 6 skeletons in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238777 #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 (on the left containing 1 skeleton in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238777 #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Photo can be seen on page 15 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf #15 (8/15) = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #15 / 70 #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 (on the lower right in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238778 #17 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #17 / 72 #18 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #18 / 73 #19 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #19/ 74 #20 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #20 / 75currently contains the remains of no less than __hundreds of thousands__ of people.
Still waiting for your answer LaustenThe deal is, show me what you are asking. I can't go to Sobibor and use the map and dig up those sites myself. You can't give me anything but a list of numbers, nothing to back it up. I've given you the only answer I'm going to give. Basically, you are acting like Ken Ham, challenging Richard Dawkins that he wasn't there when our primate ancestors came down from the trees. You don't understand science.
Still waiting for your answer Lausten
Still waiting for your answer LaustenI think this would be a good time to repost my updated OP: Is this the largest mass grave (in terms of quantity of remains) ever proven to exist at SobiborLausten's answer to question #1:Yes or no? If your answer is no, then please answer this question: #54 - It is known - via a preponderance of scientific evidence - that; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. - currently contains the remains of no less than __?__ people.
No.Lausten's answer to question #2:hundreds of thousandsSo which of the following "huge mass graves:"#1 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #1 / 56 "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves:" http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf #2 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #2 / 57 "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves:" http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf “Memory Hill" (AKA the - “mound of ashes / remains") = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #3 / 58 #3/4 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #4 / 59 #5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 (on the lower left in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238778 #6 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #6 / 61 #7 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #7 / 62 #8 (8/15) = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #8 / 63 #9 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #9 / 64 #10 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #10 / 65 #11 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #11 / 66 #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 (on the right containing 6 skeletons in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238777 #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 (on the left containing 1 skeleton in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238777 #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Photo can be seen on page 15 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf #15 (8/15) = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #15 / 70 #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 (on the lower right in the photo linked to below) http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19749/P75/#238778 #17 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #17 / 72 #18 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #18 / 73 #19 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #19/ 74 #20 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #20 / 75currently contains the remains of no less than __hundreds of thousands__ of people.
And here are the graves that we have investigated to date:And now we have found this:#5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 It is alleged to have hair in it. (It must be magic hair, because non-magic hair burns during cremation.) #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 Proven to contain 6 skeletons. #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 Proven to contain 2 skeletons.So after examining 5 (1/4) of the so-called "huge mass graves" of Sobibor, we find a grand total of 10 proven to exist skeletons and some small amount of alleged magical hair. That must mean that the remaining 249,990 jews are buried in the remaining 15 "huge mass graves." Or not.
"Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves:" http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Report-by-Y.Haimi-autumn-winter-2012-2013.pdf
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Lausten:
I can’t go to Sobibor and use the map and dig up those sites myself.Which is nothing less than an admission that you cannot provide any scientific proof that this so-called "huge mass grave:"
Double post.
Double post again, sorry.
Here are the "huge mass graves" of Sobibor that we have investigated to date:#1 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #1 / 56 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #2 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #2 / 57 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 It is alleged to have hair in it. (It must be magic hair, because non-magic hair burns during cremation.) #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 Proven to contain 6 skeletons. #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 Proven to contain 2 skeletons.So after examining 7 of the so-called "huge mass graves" of Sobibor, we find a grand total of 10 proven to exist skeletons and some small amount of alleged magical hair. That must mean that the remaining 249,990 jews are buried in the remaining 13 "huge mass graves." Or not. For now we have found this: The refuse dump shown in the map on page 7 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Report-by-Y.Haimi-Autumn-2013.pdf magically turns into "huge mass grave" #18 / 73 shown in the map on page 5 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Autumn_2015-Y.-Haimi.pdf
Lausten:I was waiting for that. I even already compared you to Ken Ham. You don't understand science, the world, truth, epistemology, how to discern anything. How old are you? Do you leave your mother's basement? Can you prove you are a real person? If we can't rely on reports from others and then rely on the ability to review those reports and depend on those who CAN check the actual data, then we couldn't have the modern world. An airplane could not get off the ground without people who only know one part of how that plane works. The guy who designed the fuel can't build the engine and neither of them need to know how to work the controls to fly it. But since you think a picture of a small grave proves there are no big graves, I'm sure you don't understand that. Truth is, I could go, I just meant it would be extremely impractical for me to do it. But there are others who could do it easily. There are others who have. Because of that, I don't need to go. I rely on the system that verifies facts. You don't understand that system, so you think you found a flaw.I can’t go to Sobibor and use the map and dig up those sites myself.Which is nothing less than an admission that you cannot provide any scientific proof that this so-called "huge mass grave:"
Lausten:I was waiting for that... Truth is, I could go, I just meant it would be extremely impractical for me to do it. But there are others who could do it easily. There are others who have. Because of that, I don't need to go. I rely on the system that verifies facts. Well then Lausten, #52 - The MAXIMUM number of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__. #53 - The MAXIMUM number of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 21 people; is no less than __?__. #54 - It is known - via a preponderance of scientific evidence - that; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. - currently contains the remains of no less than __?__ people.I can’t go to Sobibor and use the map and dig up those sites myself.Which is nothing less than an admission that you cannot provide any scientific proof that this so-called "huge mass grave:"
Here are the “huge mass graves” of Sobibor that we have investigated to date:
#1 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #1 / 56 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #2 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #2 / 57 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 It is alleged to have hair in it. (It must be magic hair, because non-magic hair burns during cremation.) #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 Proven to contain 6 skeletons. #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 Proven to contain 2 skeletons. #18 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #18 / 73 A refuse pit that magically transformed into a "huge mass grave."So after examining 8 of the so-called "huge mass graves" of Sobibor, we find a grand total of 10 proven to exist skeletons and some small amount of alleged magical hair. That must mean that the remaining 249,990 jews are buried in the remaining 12 "huge mass graves." Or not. For now we have found this: It is admitted on page 7 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Autumn_2015-Y.-Haimi.pdf that Sobibor “huge mass grave" #17 / 72 is actually a well, and is only alleged to be a "huge mass grave" because some fraudulent "eyewitness" alleged that the water in the camp had "a terrible taste."
that Sobibor “huge mass grave" #17 / 72 is actually a well, and is only alleged to be a "huge mass grave" because some fraudulent "eyewitness" alleged that the water in the camp had "a terrible taste."(h) Threads that consist of repetitive posting of the same comments, information, or links without meaningful development or responsive discussion will be considered a form of spamming or trolling and may be locked or deleted at the Moderators’ discretion. That someone once thought something was a grave and now thinks it is a well says nothing about any of the other evidence for graves and cremated remains. That is an extremely lame attempt to discredit the experts. How old are you? Have you ever been to Sobibor? Can you prove you are a real person?
Here are the “huge mass graves” of Sobibor that we have investigated to date:
#1 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #1 / 56 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #2 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #2 / 57 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 It is alleged to have hair in it. (It must be magic hair, because non-magic hair burns during cremation.) #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 Proven to contain 6 skeletons. #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 Proven to contain 2 skeletons. #17 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #17 / 72 A well that magically transformed into a "huge mass grave." #18 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #18 / 73 A refuse pit that magically transformed into a "huge mass grave."So after examining 9 of the so-called "huge mass graves" of Sobibor, we find a grand total of 10 proven to exist skeletons and some small amount of alleged magical hair, along with a magical well and a magical refuse pit. That must mean that the remaining 249,990 jews are buried in the remaining 11 "huge mass graves." Or not. For now we have found this: It is admitted on page 6 in this link here: http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Report-by-Y.Haimi-Autumn-2013.pdf that Sobibor “huge mass grave" #8 "lacks the remains of bones" and the ONLY thing found in this so-called "huge mass grave" was an old, rusty shovel heard (See the photo on page 8 in the same link.)
Halfway point recap.
Here are the “huge mass graves” of Sobibor that we have investigated to date:
#1 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #1 / 56 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #2 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #2 / 57 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that: "Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves." #5 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #5 / 60 It is alleged to have hair in it. (It must be magic hair, because non-magic hair burns during cremation.) #8/15 (8) = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #8 / 63 Admitted by Yoram Haimi that it: "Lacks the remains of bones." #12 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #12 / 67 Proven to contain 6 skeletons. #13 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #13 / 68 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #14 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #14 / 69 Proven to contain 1 skeleton. #16 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #16 / 71 Proven to contain 2 skeletons. #17 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #17 / 72 A well that magically transformed into a "huge mass grave." #18 = Sobibor “huge mass grave" #18 / 73 A refuse pit that magically transformed into a "huge mass grave."So after examining 10 (1/2) of the so-called "huge mass graves" of Sobibor, we find a grand total of 10 proven to exist skeletons and some small amount of alleged magical hair, along with a magical well and a magical refuse pit. That must mean that the remaining 249,990 jews are buried in the remaining 10 "huge mass graves." Or not.
I also find their challenges most compelling:Of course, they do. They’re Republicans at heart. They are always right and they are invincible. Just what are you trying to prove with these photos that we don’t know already? There are mass graves all over Germany and Poland. And they are from the holocaust, put there by Nazis. Just what is your point? Lois$1,000.00 - will be remitted for each one of the 89 claimed / alleged / insinuated extant “huge mass graves" of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II that have been identified by The N.A.F.H. - that have been scientifically proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of at least 21 people. and The N.A.F.H. challenges any doubtful eligible potential claimant to a specific individual reward offer to accept a wager on its ability to prove that it has the ways and means to make good on the promised payment. To date, no one has dared to accept the wager, nor has anyone ever dared to accept the wager offered for disproving the reality that - The C.S.I. Challenge is in fact backed by an association of financial supporters. and The N.A.F.H. also offers - a monetary reward for simply identifying / proving any untrue statement of fact found on this webpage.Looks like they have a lot of confidence in what they say is true.
LoisL:
Just what are you trying to prove... There are mass graves all over Germany and Poland.Try to keep up LoisL. We are only talking about Sobibor at the moment, where the remains of 250,000 jews are allegedly buried in the 20 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves." LoisL:
And they are from the holocaust, put there by Nazis.Well then LoisL: #52 - The MAXIMUM number of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__. #53 - The MAXIMUM number of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 21 people; is no less than __?__. #54 - It is known - via a preponderance of scientific evidence - that; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 20 claimed / alleged / insinuated extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. - currently contains the remains of no less than __?__ people.