:kiss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TwT69i1lUThat just sings of lies now. A melody from a bygone time ignorance of the way things are.
:kiss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TwT69i1lUThat just sings of lies now. A melody from a bygone time ignorance of the way things are. Ain't it all. Here's another one. Definitely bygone days, you'll be able to knock the voice, that great musician never could sing, but hey it's all good. It's the lyrics I want you to pay attention to, and at least he sings it so you can comprehend them. Give it a try. No, not that it will do any good. You've made up your mind. But who knows maybe some phrase may find your fancy and give you something to chew on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5-NGF3AAA It would be fun to meet you face to face something. See what's actually there. I think I find you fascinating because we are opposites. You see nothing, feel nothing. I am the eyes of the universe and love it, painful though it is. Sure a heck beats nothingness, I'll be returning to that soon enough as it is. :)
Somehow I donāt think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend. Someone who will make him forget about everything else for a moment. A chance to stop processing what is and just be.
Otherwise, heāll just keep saying he knows everything, what life ājustā is, then say stuff like this in the next breath:
And for the record the origin of our āfeelings" is largely unknown to us and contained in the subconscious.He wants the comfort of an invisible "father" watching over him, even though evidence says that father isn't there. Pretty much the basis for half the book of Jeremiah and the lamentation psalms. So he tries to find comfort in believing he knows something that most people don't. Oddly enough, he actually does have some uncommon knowledge, but he uses it to make himself miserable.
Somehow I don't think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend. Someone who will make him forget about everything else for a moment. A chance to stop processing what is and just be. Otherwise, he'll just keep saying he knows everything, what life "just" is, then say stuff like this in the next breath:You overestimate him. He's just a run-of-the-mill nihilist.And for the record the origin of our āfeelings" is largely unknown to us and contained in the subconscious.He wants the comfort of an invisible "father" watching over him, even though evidence says that father isn't there. Pretty much the basis for half the book of Jeremiah and the lamentation psalms. So he tries to find comfort in believing he knows something that most people don't. Oddly enough, he actually does have some uncommon knowledge, but he uses it to make himself miserable.
:kiss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TwT69i1lUThat just sings of lies now. A melody from a bygone time ignorance of the way things are. Ain't it all. Here's another one. Definitely bygone days, you'll be able to knock the voice, that great musician never could sing, but hey it's all good. It's the lyrics I want you to pay attention to, and at least he sings it so you can comprehend them. Give it a try. No, not that it will do any good. You've made up your mind. But who knows maybe some phrase may find your fancy and give you something to chew on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5-NGF3AAA It would be fun to meet you face to face something. See what's actually there. I think I find you fascinating because we are opposites. You see nothing, feel nothing. I am the eyes of the universe and love it, painful though it is. Sure a heck beats nothingness, I'll be returning to that soon enough as it is. :) You're not the eyes of anything. Just a collection of atoms. Nothingness is starting to seem preferable. But no, the song didn't help much. I had to look the lyrics up because I couldn't understand that voice.
Somehow I don't think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend. Someone who will make him forget about everything else for a moment. A chance to stop processing what is and just be. Otherwise, he'll just keep saying he knows everything, what life "just" is, then say stuff like this in the next breath:Because there is no bright side to it. We are at the base just a collection of atoms. I have been in a relationship before but I found it to be useless and not worthwhile. Not like it's possible now, knowing what I know. How can one just be without recognizing the reality of our lives. Morality is subjective, the values that we use to judge things are as well. What good is an accomplishment if the methods by which it's judged were just made up by others. It's like striving for an illusion, reaching for nothing. Why strive for it if the standards are illusory? Why be healthy if it's not guaranteed to lengthen life. Plenty of athletes die early from illness and people who smoke and drink everyday can live to be like 80 and up. Even our understanding of the world is just based on a human perspective, through human logic, and human senses. Such is the same for the world we have created for ourselves and the things we are told we should value. It seems so small in the grasp of infinity. How highly they think of themselves. Who could get involved in such a speck of a world when the cosmos stretches many times over? Why value the life on such a speck? It's such a limited view. But one thing is certain, it all goes to dust in time. Humans, animals. It's all just part of the same flow. The atoms can be arranged into different shapes and "beings", but in the end they're just atoms. It's like the legos children play with; no matter how you shape them they're still plastic and won't be more than that'.And for the record the origin of our āfeelings" is largely unknown to us and contained in the subconscious.He wants the comfort of an invisible "father" watching over him, even though evidence says that father isn't there. Pretty much the basis for half the book of Jeremiah and the lamentation psalms. So he tries to find comfort in believing he knows something that most people don't. Oddly enough, he actually does have some uncommon knowledge, but he uses it to make himself miserable.
Somehow I don't think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend. Someone who will make him forget about everything else for a moment. A chance to stop processing what is and just be. Otherwise, he'll just keep saying he knows everything, what life "just" is, then say stuff like this in the next breath:You overestimate him. He's just a run-of-the-mill nihilist. Frankly you underestimate me.And for the record the origin of our āfeelings" is largely unknown to us and contained in the subconscious.He wants the comfort of an invisible "father" watching over him, even though evidence says that father isn't there. Pretty much the basis for half the book of Jeremiah and the lamentation psalms. So he tries to find comfort in believing he knows something that most people don't. Oddly enough, he actually does have some uncommon knowledge, but he uses it to make himself miserable.
Even our understanding of the world is just based on a human perspective, through human logic, and human senses. Such is the same for the world we have created for ourselves and the things we are told we should value. It seems so small in the grasp of infinity. How highly they think of themselves. Who could get involved in such a speck of a world when the cosmos stretches many times over? Why value the life on such a speck? Itās such a limited view.The only credit I give you is some awareness of biology. That's what I meant by "uncommon". Your knowledge of neuroscience is minimal and you've taken what you found and corrupted it into a flawed philosophy. The above paragraph is the comical type of thing you do. You know the human perception has limits. You know you live in a vast universe with possibility that might be infinite. You see the arrogance of those who are proud of their little sand castles. But somehow you are ignoring how it is that you came to know all that. A bunch of people did "involve themselves" in that speck. They took sand and made it into a lens so they could peer into the darkness. You know what you know because of them. They were not the arrogant ones who created this miserable service economy. But you don't see a choice there. You just see things you don't like and complain about them. That you don't want to know anything more about the infinite is your problem. So all your "why" questions are your problem. At least you have some company. ]
Somehow I don't think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend.BaDaBing! :wow: You're, right, a sweetie to turn his head around. Nothing like a little well tuned heart throb to open up one's eyes to the world. Now, if only I could order one up as easy as I can the cute songs, trust me I would. (I'd even PM our friend for preferences, wouldn't want to make any unwelcome assumptions, don't you know. Hey, it's true the world of make-believe is so much better, I can feel it now) ;-P
To live is to suffer, or so the buddhists say with the first noble truth.Yeah, so it goes. To suffer is to appreciate life. Trust me. I just came out of a bout of Bell's Palsy, left side of face. Meaning eye, mouth. Most interesting experience - One moment in particular I want to recollect - the walk in the countryside during dust, when the left eye just wasn't working and the peripheral vision was gone, and now the bushwhacking that to me is usually like a walk on a sidewalk, instead became a danger wrought experience, demanding full attention. Both the terror of knowing how slender the health thread is - but also the wonder at it's complexity - and lucky for me the beauty of recovery with reinvigorated appreciation for every f'n healthy moment and movement I live. Not letting the suffering get to you - that is the buddhists riddle.
Nicely said Lausten. Although looking at it from waves gravy. I'm reminded of a pre-schooler laying in the living room sunshine, watching the sparkling dust motes floating by and trying to imagine infinite. The question comes to his lips "Mom, what is God?" ~ Mom like a true Zen Master responds: "A speck of dust that wanted to be more." Cosmic giggles do happen. I do wish you the best Titanomachina, at least you are alive enough to be struggling with this stuff - or you're just having a big laugh. who knows :cheese:Even our understanding of the world is just based on a human perspective, through human logic, and human senses. Such is the same for the world we have created for ourselves and the things we are told we should value. It seems so small in the grasp of infinity. How highly they think of themselves. Who could get involved in such a speck of a world when the cosmos stretches many times over? Why value the life on such a speck? Itās such a limited view.The only credit I give you is some awareness of biology. That's what I meant by "uncommon". Your knowledge of neuroscience is minimal and you've taken what you found and corrupted it into a flawed philosophy. The above paragraph is the comical type of thing you do. You know the human perception has limits. You know you live in a vast universe with possibility that might be infinite. You see the arrogance of those who are proud of their little sand castles. But somehow you are ignoring how it is that you came to know all that. A bunch of people did "involve themselves" in that speck. They took sand and made it into a lens so they could peer into the darkness. You know what you know because of them. They were not the arrogant ones who created this miserable service economy. But you don't see a choice there. You just see things you don't like and complain about them. That you don't want to know anything more about the infinite is your problem. So all your "why" questions are your problem. At least you have some company. ]
Speaking of Cosmic Giggles.
Lausten, after posting that I had to run off to check on a place I sort of caretake - the drive takes ~five minutes.
I turn on the radio to do my usual music roulette and what do you think comes on? :gulp:
I kid you not Lausten, aināt heard that song in forever. Now here it is.
Timing. Best comedians say it all the time, itās all about the timing.
If nothing else at least I have the consolation that the universe is in on the joke. 
Somehow I don't think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend.BaDaBing! :wow: You're, right, a sweetie to turn his head around. Nothing like a little well tuned heart throb to open up one's eyes to the world. Now, if only I could order one up as easy as I can the cute songs, trust me I would. (I'd even PM our friend for preferences, wouldn't want to make any unwelcome assumptions, don't you know. Hey, it's true the world of make-believe is so much better, I can feel it now) ;-P You mean something to blind and obscure me? No thanks. Who needs love.
Somehow I don't think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend.BaDaBing! :wow: You're, right, a sweetie to turn his head around. Nothing like a little well tuned heart throb to open up one's eyes to the world. Now, if only I could order one up as easy as I can the cute songs, trust me I would. (I'd even PM our friend for preferences, wouldn't want to make any unwelcome assumptions, don't you know. Hey, it's true the world of make-believe is so much better, I can feel it now) ;-P You mean something to blind and obscure me? No thanks. Who needs love.THERE'S his "tell". Buddy we've all been spurned by a girlfriend or lover or wife. Get over it. Move on. Just don't act like a blithering baby and get all philosophical about it. 5 years from now you'll find someone else and all will be better....until she dumps you. But that's for another day. ;)
Somehow I don't think music is going to reach him. What he needs is a girlfriend.BaDaBing! :wow: You're, right, a sweetie to turn his head around. Nothing like a little well tuned heart throb to open up one's eyes to the world. Now, if only I could order one up as easy as I can the cute songs, trust me I would. (I'd even PM our friend for preferences, wouldn't want to make any unwelcome assumptions, don't you know. Hey, it's true the world of make-believe is so much better, I can feel it now) ;-P You mean something to blind and obscure me? No thanks. Who needs love.THERE'S his "tell". Buddy we've all been spurned by a girlfriend or lover or wife. Get over it. Move on. Just don't act like a blithering baby and get all philosophical about it. 5 years from now you'll find someone else and all will be better....until she dumps you. But that's for another day. ;) Incorrect, I have dumped everyone I have been in relationships with. I have simply found that relationships didn't work as advertised.
Here's an actual neuroscientist explaining this. The important point he makes is, we say chemicals are related to these emotions that people report having, because people are reporting emotions. We are still completely dependent on the subjective statement about people saying they are feeling fear or love. ]But he still admits that chemicals are behind the whole thing.
The first half of your reply makes sense but the rest falls short, especially when you suggest a solution to the reality of our existence.Even our understanding of the world is just based on a human perspective, through human logic, and human senses. Such is the same for the world we have created for ourselves and the things we are told we should value. It seems so small in the grasp of infinity. How highly they think of themselves. Who could get involved in such a speck of a world when the cosmos stretches many times over? Why value the life on such a speck? Itās such a limited view.The only credit I give you is some awareness of biology. That's what I meant by "uncommon". Your knowledge of neuroscience is minimal and you've taken what you found and corrupted it into a flawed philosophy. The above paragraph is the comical type of thing you do. You know the human perception has limits. You know you live in a vast universe with possibility that might be infinite. You see the arrogance of those who are proud of their little sand castles. But somehow you are ignoring how it is that you came to know all that. A bunch of people did "involve themselves" in that speck. They took sand and made it into a lens so they could peer into the darkness. You know what you know because of them. They were not the arrogant ones who created this miserable service economy. But you don't see a choice there. You just see things you don't like and complain about them. That you don't want to know anything more about the infinite is your problem. So all your "why" questions are your problem. At least you have some company. ]
Life means nothing, still a funny thing happened to me today. Was walking Maddy, clipped her to a fence to get on top of a berm of an irrigation ditch to check out something, it was a really brushy area and didnāt want to deal with her on a line. Coming back I circle around the brush still on top of berm, when I come sheās at the bottom of the berm looking that way, not noticing Iād come around. I gave my little signature whoop, she turn around sees me, with that certain relief of connecting again. Then suddenly, I mean her eyes double in size along with her whole face muscles pulling back.
Since her gaze went over my head, I looked to behold a big hawk swooping in to land on a branch on the top of a nearby tree I was facing. I spend a bit of time soaking in this wonder and watching the hawk. Most the pictures youāve seen of Hawks is probably with them majestically at the top most branch. Thing is in the real world, trees donāt alway cooperate, and Hawks can be found within foliage that wonāt hold their weight.
So it was in this case, after a couple minutes during which I didnāt move and Maddy was still on the fence just watching me, as I was watching this hawking glorying in the luck and choices that this lil chicago kid lived that brought me to this point. In other words, on the glory and wonder of the whole pointless spectacle.
Then something happen Iād never completely observed before. This hawk, literally stepped off the branch, as it started flapping wings, and ascending vertically, like a freakān helicopter at least two feet before, kicking it into horizontal flight. Amazing and wonderful, though it donāt mean a damned thing to any human, or anything else for that matter. Thatās why I think itās so important to appreciate the utter uniqueness of this thing called life - and being this pinnacle of sentient awareness and wonder.
You may think itās fine to ignore and dismiss those. I enjoy reveling in themā¦ But in the end these are all personal beliefs and have no bearing on universal truths.
(It is telling that T canāt respond with more that trite one-liners - and avoidance, ignoring most thatās been shared with him. )
Life means nothing, still a funny thing happened to me today. Was walking Maddy, clipped her to a fence to get on top of a berm of an irrigation ditch to check out something, it was a really brushy area and didn't want to deal with her on a line. Coming back I circle around the brush still on top of berm, when I come she's at the bottom of the berm looking that way, not noticing I'd come around. I gave my little signature whoop, she turn around sees me, with that certain relief of connecting again. Then suddenly, I mean her eyes double in size along with her whole face muscles pulling back. Since her gaze went over my head, I looked to behold a big hawk swooping in to land on a branch on the top of a nearby tree I was facing. I spend a bit of time soaking in this wonder and watching the hawk. Most the pictures you've seen of Hawks is probably with them majestically at the top most branch. Thing is in the real world, trees don't alway cooperate, and Hawks can be found within foliage that won't hold their weight. So it was in this case, after a couple minutes during which I didn't move and Maddy was still on the fence just watching me, as I was watching this hawking glorying in the luck and choices that this lil chicago kid lived that brought me to this point. In other words, on the glory and wonder of the whole pointless spectacle. Then something happen I'd never completely observed before. This hawk, literally stepped off the branch, as it started flapping wings, and ascending vertically, like a freak'n helicopter at least two feet before, kicking it into horizontal flight. Amazing and wonderful, though it don't mean a damned thing to any human, or anything else for that matter. That's why I think it's so important to appreciate the utter uniqueness of this thing called life - and being this pinnacle of sentient awareness and wonder. You may think it's fine to ignore and dismiss those. I enjoy reveling in them... But in the end these are all personal beliefs and have no bearing on universal truths. (It is telling that T can't respond with more that trite one-liners - and avoidance, ignoring most that's been shared with him. )It's not avoidance, it's just that what you guys have said so far doesn't defeat what I have learned.
(It is telling that T can't respond with more that trite one-liners - and avoidance, ignoring most that's been shared with him. )It's not avoidance, it's just that what you guys have said so far doesn't defeat what I have learned. :lol: It is telling that T can't respond with more that trite one-liners - and avoidance, ignoring most that's been shared with him. Lets play a game and resend this forever. I'm sure that'll convince you ;-P