Interesting New Stats from Pew on Black Perspectives

By way of Newsweek:

Over the past two years, Black American life has been sold to the American people as a state of constant oppression. We are portrayed as living in constant fear, living with permanently unfair treatment and an inability to excel in a white majority society that hates us because of the color of our skin. Open the New York Times or the Washington Post or turn on CNN or NPR or MSNBC and you will see Black Americans almost exclusively portrayed as entrapped by “systemic racism.”
The only problem with it is that it’s wrong.

This is something people living in the Black community know. But for all the liberals seeking to project their ideology about the inescapable nature of systemic racism onto us, a new study out of the Pew Research Center has some data to disabuse them.
Among the studies interesting findings was one about priorities. Pew posed Black American respondents with an open-ended question: What is the most important issue is that your community is facing? And when it came to their answers, racism didn’t crack the top five.
Chief among Black Americans’ concerns were violence and crime, the economy, and housing. More Black Americans said they had no issues than listed racism as their top issue. And when asked who they believe should address these issues, respondents overwhelmingly said that these are matters that local leaders within their communities should address.

Everybody already knows that racism is a far bigger issue for White Progs than it is for Blacks, but this is still food for thought.

The whole report is excellent. It’s about how Blacks see themselves. Check it out.

They see themselves as violent? If so, why?
They see themselves as poor? If so, why?

The issues are caused by systemic racism. They know that. They also know they are not in a position to fix it

Black people do not necessarily see themselves as violent, but violence is a problem. Violence between them, violence between them and the police, violence between them and some white people. Many are poor because, despite non-discrimination laws concerning employment, they still get overlooked. It’s all a problem, but it is a societal problem. Society needs to fix the issues, not just a local problem.

White progs? Programs? I don’t see how it’s an issue for a program.

I take Pew Research with a grain of salt. There’s almost always some logistical issues with their “studies”. How many people were in the study? Is the study repeatable? Also self-reporting isn’t the most reliable of research. That and Newsweek takes only one page out of the study.

From Pew Research, last page:

Blockquote Data in this report is drawn from the panel wave conducted from Oct. 4 to Oct. 17, 2021. A total of 6,513 panelists responded out of 9,738 who were sampled, for a response rate of 68% (AAPOR RR3).

Good size, but not everyone bothered with the questions.

Blockquote The break-off rate among panelists who logged on to the survey and completed at least one item is 3%. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 6,513 respondents is plus or minus 2.2 percentage points.

2.2% give or take for margin of error, but what about those who didn’t respond to the questions? Therein lies the problem.

There’s a chart that shows this too Methodology | Pew Research Center :

Blockquote The ATP was created in 2014, with the first cohort of panelists invited to join the panel at the end of a large, national, landline and cellphone random-digit-dial survey that was conducted in both English and Spanish. Two additional recruitments were conducted using the same method in 2015 and 2017, respectively. Across these three surveys, a total of 19,718 adults were invited to join the ATP, of whom 9,942 (50%) agreed to participate.

Sample sizes are problematic, because they are a tiny portion of reality and with surveys, the answer are basically of those willing to take the survey.

Blockquote The Ipsos KnowledgePanel is an online probability-based panel representative of the U.S. adult population. Households without internet connection are provided with a web-enabled device and free internet service. KnowledgePanel’s recruitment process was originally based on a national RDD sampling methodology. In 2009, the panel switched to using an address-based sample (ABS) methodology.

So one can see how it is a problem and not the best means of doing a study. However, Sociology and Psychology can’t do research like hard sciences can, so this information will probably change as more information comes in by other means. So it’s worth taking this survey with a grain of salt.

Well, they aren’t blind!

:laughing: Racism was surprisingly low on the list but good on you for having the ability to speak for them.

You have to twist words. Makes conversation pointless.


:laughing: Ok.

Which words did I twist? I’m asking so I can look up the definitions.

By the way, I’m still waiting for your evidence that ancient Mesopotamians were Black.

I didn’t speak for anybody. I just know a little history. And I’m not going to look up things for you.

You can laugh, but I’m not going to explain how science works, especially psychology and sociology studies. And your response of just “Progressives” makes no sense. Obviously you’re not understanding and like Lausten, I’m not going to look things up for you either. At this point, you are being willfully racists, IMO, and attempting to find articles, no matter if they are flawed, to support your racism. The problem is, you’re walking the fine line with the rules.

This is kind of like pleading the 5th.

The funny thing is Pew is considered valid by most scholars and you’ve been fine with it before.

This not a serious forum with you and Lausten running things.

I’m not in trial

How? Unless you start calling people names, you’re free to say what you want.

But you quoted Newsweek. Did Pew say they don’t feel oppresed by racism? To me, that’s a different question from what issues are highest priority?

I think that this picture illustrates many things …

If i misplaced it, a moderator ca n transfer it or tell me where to put it.

You citation came from Newsweek, but if you actually read the article on Pew Forum you will see that they admit to limitation of said study. The admission of limitation is what makes them respectable. They admit, their research is not complete, but it does give reason for follow up. Meanwhile, Newsweek acts like it is the end all and be all study, when it is not. There is the problem and you obviously didn’t read the main article from Pew Review, who said there were limitations.

Secondly, if you want to be disrespectful and force your opinions on everyone, especially racist ones, we mods have remedies for that.

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This is basically the Republican/Right Wing/Authoritarian strategy since Reagan. It goes something like, 1)identify fears, 2)propose solutions that don’t really address them but are easily stated, 3)find one question in a survey that seems to support that solution, find one page from a children’s book and call it a trend, find one relative of a politician and call it a diseases of their party, 4) win elections, 5)not sure what to do to next so hoard some cash and hope the world doesn’t collapse.

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Exactly. Pew isn’t the best source to get information, unless you are looking for fears and proposed solutions to a single question survey.