If you believe all negative news about Trump is "fake..."

Politics and Social Issues
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“People want journalists to “speak truth to power,” “stick it to da man,” and “think outside the box.” They should go to dangerous neighborhoods and lands, interview people who won’t be interviewed, and access secret documents. They should risk their lives, be on the job 24 hours a day. And they should be independently wealthy, so they don’t have to worry about income, or being fired.

If you can figure out a model that works, that would be nice.”

 

no they should be allowed to do journalism and not be the PR for the multinationals.

However, Media outlets need to give what the shareholders and big corporate advertises want in the profit motive capitalist system. Can u tell me how you held those in power to account? We’re you allowed to?

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How did I hold those in corporate power to account?

You must have missed the first thing I said:

First, FWIW, I’ve never worked for any corporate news outlet. I spent 30 years at small/medium newspapers covering local news.
It wasn't that "I wasn't allowed" to do this. My topics, and my sources for them, were small and local. The type of work I did isn't the type you're talking about.

The whole issue of the press as propoganda is also an exercise in epistemology. If the majority of people know a thing, and someone comes along and says it’s not true, how do we discern what’s true and what isn’t? From Chomsky to Q, lots of people claim that everything we know is a lie, but how do THEY know it’s a lie if “the truth” is being kept secret?

And by the way, you still haven’t answered my actual question. Saying “the media is propoganda” is exactly the same as saying “the media lies,” and does not answer the “how.”

Even though I’ve not worked for any large newsrooms, I can tell you for sure that journalists don’t show up to work, sip coffee and just Make Shit Up. Writing news isn’t like writing poetry. (And journalists aren’t that creative. If they were, they would be in much better-paying fields.)

You said at one point that a conspiracy wouldn’t be necessary for the media to be lying, but it would be. Because they have to be getting their info from SOMEWHERE.

For example: The idea that Trump is horrible. Honestly, no journalist has to “invent” this. Do you want to know who Trump is?

Read his tweets (for God’s sake), and the shit he retweets.

Watch his interviews on video. You can find full transcripts for many of them.

Read what Tony Schwartz, who ghost-wrote Trump’s autobiography, says about him. Or any of hundreds of people who have known him petsonally.

Read what historians have said. Or any of the groups/people I listed in my OP (the checkmarked list). That was kind of my point. Did “the media” just invent these people from whole cloth?

How about scanning this piece and telling me where all this info is coming from if it’s “fake?”

 

 

 

 

 

 

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trump is attacked by the corporate media from the right not left. Thats what is important to consider not what you espouse

You seem to have trouble dealing with this truism.

"And by the way, you still haven’t answered my actual question. Saying “the media is propoganda” is exactly the same as saying “the media lies,” and does not answer the “how.”

 

I dont see a question in this.

“Even though I’ve not worked for any large newsrooms, I can tell you for sure that journalists don’t show up to work, sip coffee and just Make Shit Up. Writing news isn’t like writing poetry. (And journalists aren’t that creative. If they were, they would be in much better-paying fields.)”

They are hired because their fundemental beliefs about how the world works and should work lines up with the corporate masters. Nothing needs to be said it is understood in the closing handshake . Of course there are some exceptions, but very very few and far between.

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@Lausten

Let me ask about a more specific example. I met a Republican woman who was bothered that I thought all Trump voters were racist. I said I didn’t think that exactly, but, as a comparative point of reference, I watched both Presidential conventions and saw a more diverse audience at the Democratic one. She said that’s because the media portrayed it that way. She had worked at the convention as a volunteer serving food and she said she saw lots of black people. Tell me, if she’s right, if the Republican convention had just as many minorities attending, how does the media pull off that lie?
Yes. This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
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trump is attacked by the corporate media from the right not left. Thats what is important to consider not what you espouse You seem to have trouble dealing with this truism.
 

I don’t know what you mean. Media outlets on the “right” include Breitbart, InfoWars, Epoch Times, New York News, FOX & Daily Caller. They tend to support Trump. What am I missing?

 

I dont see a question in this.
Okay, sorry to make things hard. How about, "Can you tell me how???????"

You can also read my OP.

 

 

They are hired because their fundemental beliefs about how the world works and should work lines up with the corporate masters. Nothing needs to be said it is understood in the closing handshake . Of course there are some exceptions, but very very few and far between.
Fascinating. How do YOU know this? How many mass media outlets have you worked for? How many interviews have you sat in on?
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No, people don’t get their news from books, but enough people read books that if the news was completely lying to us, we would know. Chomsky can’t answer the basic question that any conspiracy theorist can’t; if the truth is so suppressed, how does he know it?
Exactly.
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I think this one speaks to the point rather well.

 

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Yeah, Player, I often have to guess to try to understand what you are getting at. I shouldn’t have to (at least not so often). ..

It’s not worth the confusion of trying to have a dialogue with you.


Yeah. I am going to have to bow out soon; it’s giving me a headache. But I think it’s both sad and hilarious that I’m having to defend the field of journalism against an attack by someone who doesn’t even have 3rd grade-level skills in English syntax.

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Player, that is an 8-minute video. If we were having an honest debate, I MIGHT take the time to watch. But we aren’t, so I won’t.

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You have an honest debate?

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Yes.

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Please!!!

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Good night.

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Actually @Player, here is a quick question before I go to sleep

 

Business Insider: FBI agents react to Trump’s conspiracy theory about Jeffrey Epstein.

If this is false, what part of it is?

I know Trump retweeted the tweet because I saw it on Twitter.

The sources did not want to give their names for obvious reasons, but do you think the staff at BI just invented the quotes? If they did that, don’t you think the FBI could go public and say no one there would say such a thing?

Or maybe you think the FBI is all far-left wing and out to get Trump for no reason. So you think it’s GOOD for a President to do something like this?

I can’t even formulate questions because I don’t understand how you think.

I’m going to bed

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Epstein connected to both camps. Will the media tells us these links?

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Sick. Very very sick,

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Epstein connected to both camps. Will the media tells us these links?
I've heard that. Must have read it on some media. Where did you hear it?
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Excellent example of the propaganda model in action. Why did the corporate media immediately report his death as a suicide as fact??

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Player knows because he knows, and he knows he knows because he just knows, and for more proof, he can point to people that think like him who agree with him.

Good luck getting some info past that wall of rationalization.

 

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You dont say yes you dont say no