Here it is. I will get fired as moderator for this one. This directly references the memes that got me out of religion. The ones that said, “you can’t reason someone out of something that reason didn’t get them into.” Without that community, I might still be in that community. I still have one toe in it. I still have good friends from the church I went to. That’s part of the key (spoiler alert), that I had other communities to parachute into after making the leap out of the one that was central to my life.
The podcast starts with a story of a 9/11 truther.
It includes short versions of people talking through something, with curious minds, and seeing how minds change. That part ends after 38 minutes if you’re in a hurry. I haven’t finished it yet.