I know I harp on this a lot. It’s because I think we can’t move ahead on much else without dealing with the “how”. This is one of the founders of Braver Angels. He doesn’t get into that until later. The first story, and he tells it in full, is how he came to be hated by the right and the left on the issue of gay marriage. It tracks the change in the political landscape over the last few decades. So, that gives the guy cred, in my book.
Later, and I’ll find the timestamp later, he mentions a common occurrence in Braver Angels workshops, where someone points out that they (themselves) make their decisions based on reason and evidenced and those other guys use their emotions. This happened to me, I was going to bring that up in the workshop I did, but then a conservative beat me to it. I was shocked. First that he thought that, since I’m sure he was wrong, but then that I thought that without ever attempting to query the guy as to what he knew, or how he arrived at his conclusion. If I did that work, I’m almost certain I’d still find him wrong, but if I want to reach him, get him to nuance his thoughts in the slightest, I’m not going to do that if I don’t do that work.