Gun culture

Meaningful solution suggestions: 1) require body cams on all police and for the cams to be turned on in all interactions with the public 2) require all police to have a college degree 3) pay police more because they all have a college degree 4) require all law enforcement agencies to accurately report any interactions with the public that result in injury or death to a national database, along with the body cam video of that interaction 5) end all local practices of requiring police to make quotas so as to increase income for that locality 6) make any police officer who falsely supports an offending police officer's story, equally liable as an accessory to the offense Those are just off the top of my head.
2) require all police to have a college degree
Will any degree do? Thats unrealistic because - 1) Having a degree doesn't equal integrity 2) Generally, people who have degrees aren't interested in police work
7) inform all police officers and the general public of the reality that law enforcement is not even in the top 10 of deadliest occupations in the US
No, but its one of the most miserable occupations. (aside: POTUS is the most deadly of occupations. 9 of 44 have died in office. It seems like a pretty miserable occupation to me, too, but the pay and the perks are okay.) Since a Supreme Court Judge can keep the position for life, of course most die in office, how could it be otherwise? Very few resign before dying since they don't have to.. I am all for people in inherently miserable, but needed, occupations getting paid accordingly. So we pay cops more, not only for being competently educated, but also for doing a miserable job. If we pay enough, many, truly competent, people will be interested in police work, miserable or not. And we don't necessarily have to rule out everyone without a degree if some sort of valid, reliable equivalency testing can be devised. Re: police with degrees, I simply recall that there are much fewer problems like these done by cops with degrees. One would think a degree in a field related to law enforcement or social studies might be preferable, but it may just be as simple as weeding out those who can't think clearly enough not to do stupid things like kill people unnecessarily. That's not it. The cops with degrees are not fighting street crime. LLIn your initial comment above, in red, I think you were thinking SCOTUS, in response to where I said POTUS. Re: your 2nd comment, in red, have you seen information that supports your hypothesis that cops with degrees are simply not put in positions to have direct interactions with the public that could go terribly wrong? If so, then perhaps it is not reasonable to require them to have degrees. But even so, I strongly suspect that smarter police are less likely to have things go wrong than not so smart police. Police in our country all carry guns, and are, in effect "licensed to kill". They can kill, justly or unjustly, and will not be held accountable for the "unjustly" kills, as long as they claim that they were in fear for their life or someone else's life, and there is no obvious evidence to the contrary. A cop with only borderline intellectual functioning would still be able to follow that simple rule, i.e., to say "I shot because I was in fear for my life." But a cop with such a low IQ, I think would also, be more likely to confront people for no good reason, and to interact with people in such a way that it leads to problematic circumstances, and to then wind up killing someone, and then be left to claim (what all police must claim when they kill someone) that they did so because they were if fear for their own life or someone else's. Yes, I read it wrong. As for cops with degrees. i have no specifics, but it seems to me that a degree should count for something. If they're sent out on the streets whether they have a degree or not, what's the use of getting a degree? Lois
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. Keep in mind that the majority of people don't react violently to armed police.
If they go far enough in demanding an intelligent and educated police forces, there will soon be no police forces at all. What truly intelligent and educated person would join a police force in a country with an armed populace? Lois
If we raise law enforcement salaries, enough, intelligent people who want to serve will take the jobs. Remember that law enforcement is not the deadliest occupation. There are around 10 occupations that are more deadly, and people do those jobs.
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. ... Since the public is so well armed, we can't very well not arm our police. We could, however have them conceal carry in most instances. And we could avoid dressing them up like an invading military force, with military equipment, when there is no clear need to do so.
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. Keep in mind that the majority of people don't react violently to armed police. Not much comfort if you are one of the cops whose head one of the minority is holding a loaded gun on. Lois
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. ... Since the public is so well armed, we can't very well not arm our police. We could, however have them conceal carry in most instances. And we could avoid dressing them up like an invading military force, with military equipment, when there is no clear need to do so. Good point. A welder wears leather gear. Scientist wear white coats. Waitress wear aprons. Cops wear war apparel.
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. ... Since the public is so well armed, we can't very well not arm our police. We could, however have them conceal carry in most instances. And we could avoid dressing them up like an invading military force, with military equipment, when there is no clear need to do so. Good point. A welder wears leather gear. Scientist wear white coats. Waitress wear aprons. Cops wear war apparel. Cops wear war apparel? Soldiers wear war apparel, when they are in an imminent combat setting or training. Cops should generally wear a uniform and a badge. That they are also wearing weaponry should be assumed, but it doesn't need to be prominently displayed.
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. Keep in mind that the majority of people don't react violently to armed police. Not much comfort if you are one of the cops whose head one of the minority is holding a loaded gun on. Lois Nor is it much comfort if you are one of the unarmed white people killed by cops. (Yes that happens, too.)
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. Keep in mind that the majority of people don't react violently to armed police. Not much comfort if you are one of the cops whose head one of the minority is holding a loaded gun on. Lois I think the chances of death for the cops are less if the cop does not have a gun. Chance of catching the guy will be greatly reduced. But the main thing is to disarm the situation. The cop will still have the video feed, and other info to work with. And can DNA the area for data.
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. Keep in mind that the majority of people don't react violently to armed police. Enough do to make it an enormous problem. Then there are also those who do not react violently but who are accused of it to get cops off the hook. Lois
In the news. A large body of psychological research on the ‘weapons effect’ may help explain the often violent interactions between police and the policed. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/05/gun-police-public-more-aggressive-psychology-weapons-effect
Its looks like they're saying violent confrontations could be possibly avoided if police weren't armed. Keep in mind that the majority of people don't react violently to armed police. Not much comfort if you are one of the cops whose head one of the minority is holding a loaded gun on. Lois I think the chances of death for the cops are less if the cop does not have a gun. Chance of catching the guy will be greatly reduced. But the main thing is to disarm the situation. The cop will still have the video feed, and other info to work with. And can DNA the area for data. That's too rational for Americans, Mike. It would never fly. Lois
I think the chances of death for the cops are less if the cop does not have a gun.
Probably not in America.
Chance of catching the guy will be greatly reduced. But the main thing is to disarm the situation. The cop will still have the video feed, and other info to work with. And can DNA the area for data.
Anything that reduces the chances of apprehension is not going to work out, and ultimately the "main thing" is to do whatever the situation calls for.
I think the chances of death for the cops are less if the cop does not have a gun.
Probably not in America. I think it's quite likely that Mike is right. Some special teams of police need to carry guns but if most don't it's better for the safety of all including the police.
I think the chances of death for the cops are less if the cop does not have a gun.
Probably not in America. My thinking on this was a few years back there were many car chases ending up in horrible crashes and deaths. Several states passed laws where the cops could not chase them over a certain speed and over so many miles. The guys got away, but with good investigation the cops would pick them up latter. The death toll dropped and the problem seems to have been fixed.

The problem with the cops having guns is profiling. So it is best to defuse the situation. Example, I remember being pulled over for speeding in California. Not going much faster than the other traffic. But driving a 69’ Z28 Camaro. Having both cops pointing their guns at me, ordering me out of the car, on the freeway in the middle of the afternoon. Long hair, fast car. I got a warning ticket. But come ‘on, does a warning ticket require two guns pointed at a driver?

The problem with the cops having guns is profiling. So it is best to defuse the situation. Example, I remember being pulled over for speeding in California. Not going much faster than the other traffic. But driving a 69’ Z28 Camaro. Having both cops pointing their guns at me, ordering me out of the car, on the freeway in the middle of the afternoon. Long hair, fast car. I got a warning ticket. But come ‘on, does a warning ticket require two guns pointed at a driver?
Did they find the drugs you were smuggling? :smirk:

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