Global warming ? Climate change? Global cooling?

China policies about Carbon

And that’s if China statistics are not false.

The matter is not the demonizing of China, the matter is that China is an imperialist power which does not respect his word, as about Hong-Kong.

China, despising the international rules is conquering the sea of China, implementing military bases.

China is a totalitarian state, comitting a genocide against Ouighours.

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Your conclusion is based on a false equivalence.

Your concession that there has been a manmade increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide .
But, where did you get the information that there has been no GW in the past 16 years.
And what is the significance of the past 16 years?

Let’s have a look

Is that clear enough?

And if you think that 2 F is nothing to worry about, let’s have a look at the results of just a few degrees GW.

Are the Effects of Global Warming Really that Bad?

Short answer: Yes. Even a seemingly slight average temperature rise is enough to cause a dramatic transformation of our planet.


The Missouri River encroaches on homes in Sioux City, Iowa, during a 2011 flood

More frequent and severe weather

Higher temperatures are worsening many types of disasters, including storms, heat waves, floods, and droughts. A warmer climate creates an atmosphere that can collect, retain, and unleash more water, changing weather patterns in such a way that wet areas become wetter and dry areas drier.

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, in 2021, there were 20 weather and climate disaster events in the United States—including severe storms, floods, drought, and wildfires—that individually caused at least $1 billion in losses.

“Disasters in 2021 had a staggering total price tag of $145 billion—and that’s an underestimate because it excludes health damages,” says Vijay Limaye, senior scientist at NRDC. “These climate and weather disasters endanger people across the country throughout the entire year. In fact, more than 4 in 10 Americans live in a county that was struck by climate-related disasters in 2021.”

The increasing number of droughts, intense storms, and floods we’re seeing as our warming atmosphere holds—and then dumps—more moisture poses risks to public health and safety too. Prolonged dry spells mean more than just scorched lawns.

Drought conditions jeopardize access to clean drinking water, fuel out-of-control wildfires, and result in dust storms, extreme heat events, and flash flooding in the States. Elsewhere around the world, lack of water is a leading cause of death and serious disease and is contributing to crop failure.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, heavier rains cause streams, rivers, and lakes to overflow, which damages life and property, contaminates drinking water, creates hazardous-material spills, and promotes mold infestation and unhealthy air. A warmer, wetter world is also a boon for foodborne and waterborne illnesses and disease-carrying insects, such as mosquitoes, fleas, and ticks.

more … Are the Effects of Global Warming Really that Bad?

Scientists are warning that we are at the beginning of 6th extinction event, also known as the Anthropocene

The Anthropocene is sometimes used to simply describe the time during which humans have had a substantial impact on our planet. Whether or not we are in a new geological age, we are part of a complex, global system and the evidence of our impact on it has become clear.

What is the Anthropocene and why does it matter?

Natural History Museum

You make a lot of points from a lot of data. Question is. Is any of that data any good? As the earth heats up. The earth gets warmer. Do you agree?
As the earth gets warmer. The ice gets warmer. Do you agree?
As the ice gets warmer. The ice turns to water. Do you agree?
Melting ice will raise ocean water level. Do you agree?
The problem is - we are still at the natural sea level rise.
Where are you hiding all the melt water if it is not in the ocean?

Because all the polar ice has not yet melted.

But this may give you and idea of what’s going on.

Flooding Has Increased by an Average of 233% in the Last 20 Years. Although the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950, nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the last 20 years

This small increase in sea level has caused on average a 233% increase in tidal flooding across the United States.

and

Over the past 30 years, global average sea level has risen a total of 3.6 inches (9.1 centimeters), as indicated in this graphic, which is based on sea level measurements (in blue) from five successive satellites starting with the U.S.-French TOPEX/Poseidon mission in 1993.

Note the extrapolated rise in the next 18 years!

AGW is not so much the rise in sea level as it is when increased intensity of storms cause inland flooding, which will make the coastal areas uninhabitable.

This article was first published in September 2022 and updated in July 2024. Over 410 million people could be at risk from rising sea levels by 2100. The climate crisis has already caused global sea levels to rise by over 10cm between 1993 and 2024.Jul 11, 2024

By 2100, up to[ 410 million people could be at risk](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/08/rising-sea-levels-global-adaptation/) from coastal flooding as the climate crisis causes sea levels to rise even higher.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/07/rising-sea-levels-global-threat/#

Yes, the effects of any weather can be bad for humans. “Global Warming” is the opposite of “Global Cooling”. Both are natural cycles of the sun and earth. To answer your posting about the 6th extinction. At this time there is nothing mankind can do about Global Warming. Now we do cause Climate Change which is less than 3% of Global Warming. The problem is that the so called scientists don’t seem to know the difference between Global Warming and Climate Change. It is not uncommon for some articles to claim Global Warming is part of Climate Change. In the New Green Deal. The legal definition of Climate Change is the same as the definition of weather.
It is not that hard to understand.
Global Warming - earth is in a warming cycle.
Global Cooling - earth is in a cooling cycle.
Climate Change - the change in the natural Global Warming/Cooling cycle that has been changed by natural, celestial, or anthropogenic forces.
Can you tell me why articles would get printed that can not keep the basic concepts of the theory straight?

I think you have something mixed up here. Check the poster’s names you attributing the quotes to.

Do make some corrections. TY.

That is because of cycles. The ocean levels were behind the level it should have been. We have what is known as Lags and Jumps. The overall numbers are 400 feet down and then 400 feet up. We are now in the Global Cooling cycle. But we should have the warmest weather of the last 100,000 years. Think of it as sunlight. June 21th is summer solstice in the Northern Hemisphere. After the solstice we start getting less sunlight each day. But the weather keeps getting warmer. That is because the weather follows the earths ability to dissipate the heat as it warms. Same with the cold of winter.

We know the cycles move the ocean level up and down 400 feet. We are at 393 feet right now. We should start back down when the Lag ends. The question is. Ice cores shows us this has happened the last 800,000 years or eight time.
The question at hand is. If we don’t start back down. Then the earth still has enough ice to raise the oceans an extra 230 feet if we don’t continual into the Global Cooling cycle. That would mean a 623 foot rise this Global Warming cycle before all the ice is used and the ocean rise stops. If Covid was to wipe out all of mankind tomorrow. It would not make any difference with the Milankovitch cycles. Repeat. If the earth stopped the Global Cooling cycles, there is nothing mankind could do to cool the planet. On the other hand. We are in the Global Cooling cycle right now. It only takes 10,000 years to reach the coldest part of the cooling cycle. If you think rising oceans is a problem. Cold weather jumps are going to be one-hundred times worst. Maybe Bill Gates knows something about the weather we don’t.

You love your omissions:
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/bluemoon/co2_400/co2_800k_zoom.png
Nothing I can type mike yoke, you’re beyond the pale

… At the same time, the growing influence of climate change spurred an increase in sea levels through increased ice loss from Greenland and greater thermal expansion of the waters as more heat energy went into the oceans.

All these factors have seen the rise in sea levels accelerate over the past 30 years and it is now running at 3.35mm per year.
"At the height of the dam building, we were able to slow sea level rise by about 0.8mm per year.

“And now we’re seeing sea levels rising in the last 10 years by about four millimetres per year.” …

We should?
You are missing a major variable… human interference, hence the term Anthropocene.

Mikeyohe, were do you get your information from? I hate to tell you this, but then again, others already have, it’s not scientifically accurate.

You should get an education and stop playing a malicious climate science liar and political stooge.

It just keeps getting warming . . .

Not that Mike could care less, but some others might be interested.

Earth’s Climate

About this book

The human impact on Earth’s climate is often treated as a hundred-year issue lasting as far into the future as 2100, the year in which most climate projections cease. In The Long Thaw, David Archer, one of the world’s leading climatologists, reveals the hard truth that these changes in climate will be “locked in,” essentially forever.

If you think that global warming means slightly hotter weather and a modest rise in sea levels that will persist only so long as fossil fuels hold out (or until we decide to stop burning them), think again. In The Long Thaw, David Archer predicts that if we continue to emit carbon dioxide we may eventually cancel the next ice age and raise the oceans by 50 meters. A human-driven, planet-wide thaw has already begun, and will continue to impact Earth’s climate and sea level for hundreds of thousands of years. The great ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland may take more than a century to melt, and the overall change in sea level will be one hundred times what is forecast for 2100. By comparing the global warming projection for the next century to natural climate changes of the distant past, and then looking into the future far beyond the usual scientific and political horizon of the year 2100, Archer reveals the hard truths of the long-term climate forecast.

Archer shows how just a few centuries of fossil-fuel use will cause not only a climate storm that will last a few hundred years, but dramatic climate changes that will last thousands. Carbon dioxide emitted today will be a problem for millennia. For the first time, humans have become major players in shaping the long-term climate. In fact, a planetwide thaw driven by humans has already begun. But despite the seriousness of the situation, Archer argues that it is still not too late to avert dangerous climate change–if humans can find a way to cooperate as never before.

Revealing why carbon dioxide may be an even worse gamble in the long run than in the short, this compelling and critically important book brings the best long-term climate science to a general audience for the first time.

With a new preface that discusses recent advances in climate science, and the impact on global warming and climate change, The Long Thaw shows that it is still not too late to avert dangerous climate change—if we can find a way to cooperate as never before.

Author / Editor information

David Archer is professor of geophysical sciences at the University of Chicago. He is the author of many books, including The Global Carbon Cycle (Princeton).

Okay Mike line up your next series of lies.
For the others for a fast read fact check, go visit the pretty near full collection of climate science lies and dishonest claims and the facts behind them.

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If what you say is true. Why aren’t the lawyers suing? They have been lined up to sue for the last twenty plus years. What is stopping them. They have use every angle they can find. Even using children to open lawsuits. Getting nowhere. They don’t have the facts.

And who are you going to sue when you are part of the system that produced the problem? As long as you are using public utilities and energy, you are part of the problem.

Do you drive a car? Do you use electricity to power your home?

Many countries are beginning to recognize the problem and are developing alternative energies.
China is the current leader in developing renewable energies.

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

BY ISABEL HILTON • MARCH 13, 2024

In 2022, China installed roughly as much solar capacity as the rest of the world combined, then doubled additional solar in 2023.

Tidal Stream Energy in China

The tidal stream energy in China could theoretically supply more than 8.2 GW, and most of them come from Zhoushan Islands, Zhejiang Province. The government of China largely invests the explosion of tidal stream energy in these years, and a significant progress has been achieved in this area.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877705815020329#

yes, there is tolerances that have to be dealt with. Along with different scientific values. On some items they may vary 10 to 100 years and for example the lag time may even take 1,000 years. I have never heard a scientist disagree with the Milankovitch cycles. Most agree we are in the Cooling Cycle right now. Some think we have been in the cycle for 60 years. While others think 2 to 5 years. And that’s about as good as it is going to get at this time.
The movie The Day After Tomorrow is a 2004 film that portrayed a cooling JUMP. I don’t think it would happen that fast. And I don’t think anyone else does either. For the most part the public didn’t really understand the cooling cycle. Scientists have found woolly mammoths frozen while eating on flowers and fresh grass. Frozen stiff while eating. Something caused that to happen. What ever it was, was very cold and fast. We don’t have the answer yet.

Yes we do. At least one extinction was caused by impact of an asteroid.

Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction - 66 million years agoThe Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event is the most recent mass extinction and the only one definitively connected to a major asteroid impact. Some 76 percent of all species on the planet, including all nonavian dinosaurs, went extinct.Sep 26, 2019

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/mass-extinction#

This information is readily available on the internet. All you need to do is select from reliable sources to get a good overview of the current science studying AGW

Hope this is only a once in a lifetime event. It happened before. A volcano erupts just under the ocean and sends water high into the sky. the volcano sent 150M tons of water above the stratospheric layer. We still have 120M tons of water that has not came down. It is causing weather events around the world right now. As it is not in computer models. You will not hear much about it. I covered this in more details in a post earlier.

I thought we were working on Climate Change and Global Warming. The ice cores are the best facts we have. Going back 66M years leaves room for a lot of questions. The ice core data goes back 800K.

No, we are discussing causes for extinction events, by any means.

Currently, it is ma n who is causing the Anthropocene extinction event.

In a few centuries we have dug up just about all the oil deposited and sequestered over a period of hundreds of millions of years.

I gave the running statistics of human oil consumption on a daily basis.
Fortunately, we shall be running out of oil in about 40 years and will stop our wanton use of a fossil fuel that was cheap , easy to harvest, and deadly to our kind.