Donald Trump

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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold.
A frequent "contestant" on the "Celebrity Apprentice" version was Penn Jillette, who had been rather outspoken of his criticism of Trump (even though he likes him as a person), until fairly recently. Jillette announced on his podcast a few weeks ago that he was no longer going to be saying anything negative about Trump because he was worried that Trump would attempt to retaliate by harming the careers of Jillette's friends! Does that sound like someone you want with their finger on the goddamned nuclear button??? Putting Trump in the White House would be like handing a toddler a fully loaded minigun.] Not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination.
I can’t but help think Greece also thinks along the same lines as you in running their government. Trump might be the price we have to pay to keep our freedom alive.
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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what?
A frequent "contestant" on the "Celebrity Apprentice" version was Penn Jillette, who had been rather outspoken of his criticism of Trump (even though he likes him as a person), until fairly recently. Jillette announced on his podcast a few weeks ago that he was no longer going to be saying anything negative about Trump because he was worried that Trump would attempt to retaliate by harming the careers of Jillette's friends! Does that sound like someone you want with their finger on the goddamned nuclear button??? Putting Trump in the White House would be like handing a toddler a fully loaded minigun.] Not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination.
I can’t but help think Greece also thinks along the same lines as you in running their government. Trump might be the price we have to pay to keep our freedom alive.And who is planning on taking away our freedoms?
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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what?
A frequent "contestant" on the "Celebrity Apprentice" version was Penn Jillette, who had been rather outspoken of his criticism of Trump (even though he likes him as a person), until fairly recently. Jillette announced on his podcast a few weeks ago that he was no longer going to be saying anything negative about Trump because he was worried that Trump would attempt to retaliate by harming the careers of Jillette's friends! Does that sound like someone you want with their finger on the goddamned nuclear button??? Putting Trump in the White House would be like handing a toddler a fully loaded minigun.] Not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination.
I can’t but help think Greece also thinks along the same lines as you in running their government. Trump might be the price we have to pay to keep our freedom alive.And who is planning on taking away our freedoms? What freedoms?
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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what? You answered the question. And I agreed with your conclusion.
A frequent "contestant" on the "Celebrity Apprentice" version was Penn Jillette, who had been rather outspoken of his criticism of Trump (even though he likes him as a person), until fairly recently. Jillette announced on his podcast a few weeks ago that he was no longer going to be saying anything negative about Trump because he was worried that Trump would attempt to retaliate by harming the careers of Jillette's friends! Does that sound like someone you want with their finger on the goddamned nuclear button??? Putting Trump in the White House would be like handing a toddler a fully loaded minigun.] Not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination.
I can’t but help think Greece also thinks along the same lines as you in running their government. Trump might be the price we have to pay to keep our freedom alive.
And who is planning on taking away our freedoms?
Just to name one. Big government. Haven’t you been watching the IRS piss all over the American people and congress then flipping us off? To name two. Hillary, there is a person that is creating a Caste system and damn proud of it.
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:red: Damn, just got an email from the IRS. I’m being audited.

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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what? You answered the question. And I agreed with your conclusion. None of what you just said makes any sense at all. Nothing I've described about Trump should be considered appealing. In government, as in life, you have to learn to work with people you don't like, if you want to accomplish something.
A frequent "contestant" on the "Celebrity Apprentice" version was Penn Jillette, who had been rather outspoken of his criticism of Trump (even though he likes him as a person), until fairly recently. Jillette announced on his podcast a few weeks ago that he was no longer going to be saying anything negative about Trump because he was worried that Trump would attempt to retaliate by harming the careers of Jillette's friends! Does that sound like someone you want with their finger on the goddamned nuclear button??? Putting Trump in the White House would be like handing a toddler a fully loaded minigun.] Not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination.
I can’t but help think Greece also thinks along the same lines as you in running their government. Trump might be the price we have to pay to keep our freedom alive.
And who is planning on taking away our freedoms?
Just to name one. Big government."Big government" is a vague term. Be specific. Are you talking about the "Big Government" which is trying to cut funding to Planned Parenthood? The "Big Government" that gutted banking regulation, thus enabling the collapse of the housing market back in '08? The "Big Government" which spends nearly half its income on the military? Or is there some other "Big Government" that you were thinking of?
Haven’t you been watching the IRS piss all over the American people
You mean the same IRS that's had its budget cut so that the number of audits it can perform is down? The same IRS which is basically prohibited from auditing religious groups? That IRS?
and congress then flipping us off?
Congress is presently controlled by the Republican Party. Given Trump's unpopularity with the GOP bosses, what makes you think that the current obstructionist Congress would in any way change?
To name two. Hillary, there is a person that is creating a Caste system and damn proud of it.
How is Hillary "creating a Caste system" and what makes you think that she is "proud of it"?
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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what? You answered the question. And I agreed with your conclusion. None of what you just said makes any sense at all. Nothing I've described about Trump should be considered appealing. In government, as in life, you have to learn to work with people you don't like, if you want to accomplish something. People have and develop certain characteristics, I thought you described Trumps really good. Now, do you think Trump was concerned about the little dab of money the contestants were dealing with or do you think he was dealing with the task of show business and rating? What were the rating of his show?
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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what? You answered the question. And I agreed with your conclusion. None of what you just said makes any sense at all. Nothing I've described about Trump should be considered appealing. In government, as in life, you have to learn to work with people you don't like, if you want to accomplish something. People have and develop certain characteristics, I thought you described Trumps really good. And in this instance, none of it could be considered a positive for someone with their finger on the proverbial button.
Now, do you think Trump was concerned about the little dab of money the contestants were dealing with or do you think he was dealing with the task of show business and rating?
According to those on the show, Trump wasn't concerned about anything other than himself, and he certainly didn't pay attention to things like ratings.
What were the rating of his show?
This is a meaningless question for the following reasons: 1.) Viewership ratings are in no way an accurate measure of how qualified someone is to be President. 2.) Ratings are only important in comparison to production costs. A show that's cheap to produce (as reality shows, like Trump's are) will stay on the air, even if they have lower ratings than other programs in that timeslot. A scripted show, with actors, like say M*A*S*H*, will be more likely to get cancelled for low-ratings than a reality show will. 3.) Even if the show pulled in a large number of viewers, the bulk of the US population was watching/doing something else. In 2013, the season finale for The Apprentice drew 5.3 million viewers. By contrast, that same year, the CBS sitcom, The Big Bang Theory, was pulling in 20 million viewers. By your logic, any member of the cast of "The Big Bang Theory" would make a better President than Trump. 4.) The demographics of who watches a show are equally as important as to how many viewers it gets. Advertisers are most interested in reaching the 18-40 male demographic, which means a show that has a larger audience, but is made up of people older than the 18-40 demographic, or is more heavily female, will be more likely to get the ax than a show which appeals to a younger audience. Younger people tend not to vote in large numbers, so its unlikely that the viewers of The Apprentice necessarily represent those people likely to vote, and at some 5.3 million people, its hardly enough to assure Trump of the White House. 5.) The ratings of the show weren't high enough to cause NBC/Comcast to hesitate in cancelling the show after Trump accused Mexicans of being rapists and drug dealers.
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This is a meaningless question for the following reasons: 1.) Viewership ratings are in no way an accurate measure of how qualified someone is to be President. 2.) Ratings are only important in comparison to production costs. A show that's cheap to produce (as reality shows, like Trump's are) will stay on the air, even if they have lower ratings than other programs in that timeslot. A scripted show, with actors, like say M*A*S*H*, will be more likely to get cancelled for low-ratings than a reality show will. 3.) Even if the show pulled in a large number of viewers, the bulk of the US population was watching/doing something else. In 2013, the season finale for The Apprentice drew 5.3 million viewers. By contrast, that same year, the CBS sitcom, The Big Bang Theory, was pulling in 20 million viewers. By your logic, any member of the cast of "The Big Bang Theory" would make a better President than Trump. 4.) The demographics of who watches a show are equally as important as to how many viewers it gets. Advertisers are most interested in reaching the 18-40 male demographic, which means a show that has a larger audience, but is made up of people older than the 18-40 demographic, or is more heavily female, will be more likely to get the ax than a show which appeals to a younger audience. Younger people tend not to vote in large numbers, so its unlikely that the viewers of The Apprentice necessarily represent those people likely to vote, and at some 5.3 million people, its hardly enough to assure Trump of the White House. 5.) The ratings of the show weren't high enough to cause NBC/Comcast to hesitate in cancelling the show after Trump accused Mexicans of being rapists and drug dealers.
Edit, sorry, I did ask you about ratings. I was concentrating on "Does Trump accomplish his tasks?" This post is edited. My mistake. I look at the task at hand. What was Trump's task and goal and did he accomplish his task? Trump says he is successful at business. If that is true, then give Trump the credit. He is after all standing up for what he believes in. Then you are stating that NBC dumped Trump for accusing Mexicans of being rapist and drug dealers. That is not what Trump or NBC is saying. Say away from the tabloids.
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Mike, If one of the Koch brothers were as bragadocious and unfiltered as Trump, would you prefer them as President? They have been eminently more successful in business than Donald. And I imagine that they would just as sincerely say that they want to make America great again.

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Mike, If one of the Koch brothers were as bragadocious and unfiltered as Trump, would you prefer them as President? They have been eminently more successful in business than Donald. And I imagine that they would just as sincerely say that they want to make America great again.
I know nothing about the Koch brothers other than the standard stuff. When looking at bragadocious and unfiltered. If Trump was from California, Denver or Portland, no way would he have made it in business being that way. But New Jersey, Connecticut and especially New York I am not shocked or bothered. What is shocking that he must have had hundreds of opportunities to rip off millions, and he never did. Well maybe on the bankruptcies. But we’ll have to giving that four. My biggest fear about the Koch brothers is that they would give too much away. Thus carrying on problems to another generation. They are at that point in life where they give vast amounts of money away and they still have more money coming in than they know what to do with. On the Koch brothers, I would first have to look at their board of directors and see if they have any NSA bankers or other secret department personnel on their board. These secret department have seats on many of the large companies. It is a tool and a good tool to move money. And companies like GE for example are worldwide and have billions in business. It is easy for the secret departments to work within those companies and hand out money and contracts. But it is also easy to find these guys on the boards. If they are on the board, then we don’t want the Koch brothers in office. Next, I would look at the religious beliefs. Trump hardly knows what religion he is. And that is good. If the Koch brothers are devoted religiously, then it would be dangerous to put them in an office of such power. Next, I would like to see what trouble they have gotten into. I want a real person in the office. That is one reason the bankruptcies in my book are a positive for Trump. I don’t want no kiss ass mama’s boy in the office. We got this Climate Change thing coming up and we are going to need a leader that will stay on the run and kick butts to get the things done.
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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what? You answered the question. And I agreed with your conclusion.
A frequent "contestant" on the "Celebrity Apprentice" version was Penn Jillette, who had been rather outspoken of his criticism of Trump (even though he likes him as a person), until fairly recently. Jillette announced on his podcast a few weeks ago that he was no longer going to be saying anything negative about Trump because he was worried that Trump would attempt to retaliate by harming the careers of Jillette's friends! Does that sound like someone you want with their finger on the goddamned nuclear button??? Putting Trump in the White House would be like handing a toddler a fully loaded minigun.] Not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination.
I can’t but help think Greece also thinks along the same lines as you in running their government. Trump might be the price we have to pay to keep our freedom alive.
And who is planning on taking away our freedoms?
Just to name one. Big government. Haven’t you been watching the IRS piss all over the American people and congress then flipping us off? To name two. Hillary, there is a person that is creating a Caste system and damn proud of it. Think logically much? Or ever?
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:red: Damn, just got an email from the IRS. I’m being audited.
The IRS doesn't use email to inform people of audits or to communIcate with taxpayers for any reason. Lois
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No and no. It was a contrived show where ordinary people (for a couple of seasons, then they were dumped and replaced with a rotating cast of celebrities) were given assignments on creating businesses in an unrealistic manner. The winner was determined not by how well you performed, but if Trump liked you. So you could make significantly more money than anyone else, but lose because you happened to rub Trump the wrong way.
That sound about right, and Trump fits the mold."About right" for what? You answered the question. And I agreed with your conclusion.
A frequent "contestant" on the "Celebrity Apprentice" version was Penn Jillette, who had been rather outspoken of his criticism of Trump (even though he likes him as a person), until fairly recently. Jillette announced on his podcast a few weeks ago that he was no longer going to be saying anything negative about Trump because he was worried that Trump would attempt to retaliate by harming the careers of Jillette's friends! Does that sound like someone you want with their finger on the goddamned nuclear button??? Putting Trump in the White House would be like handing a toddler a fully loaded minigun.] Not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination.
I can’t but help think Greece also thinks along the same lines as you in running their government. Trump might be the price we have to pay to keep our freedom alive.
And who is planning on taking away our freedoms?
Just to name one. Big government. Haven’t you been watching the IRS piss all over the American people and congress then flipping us off? To name two. Hillary, there is a person that is creating a Caste system and damn proud of it. Think logically much? Or ever?Need more help here, to many doors.
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:red: Damn, just got an email from the IRS. I’m being audited.
The IRS doesn't use email to inform people of audits or to communIcate with taxpayers for any reason. Lois Ha, Got ya! Did you miss the smiley or the preceding post?
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This is a meaningless question for the following reasons: 1.) Viewership ratings are in no way an accurate measure of how qualified someone is to be President. 2.) Ratings are only important in comparison to production costs. A show that's cheap to produce (as reality shows, like Trump's are) will stay on the air, even if they have lower ratings than other programs in that timeslot. A scripted show, with actors, like say M*A*S*H*, will be more likely to get cancelled for low-ratings than a reality show will. 3.) Even if the show pulled in a large number of viewers, the bulk of the US population was watching/doing something else. In 2013, the season finale for The Apprentice drew 5.3 million viewers. By contrast, that same year, the CBS sitcom, The Big Bang Theory, was pulling in 20 million viewers. By your logic, any member of the cast of "The Big Bang Theory" would make a better President than Trump. 4.) The demographics of who watches a show are equally as important as to how many viewers it gets. Advertisers are most interested in reaching the 18-40 male demographic, which means a show that has a larger audience, but is made up of people older than the 18-40 demographic, or is more heavily female, will be more likely to get the ax than a show which appeals to a younger audience. Younger people tend not to vote in large numbers, so its unlikely that the viewers of The Apprentice necessarily represent those people likely to vote, and at some 5.3 million people, its hardly enough to assure Trump of the White House. 5.) The ratings of the show weren't high enough to cause NBC/Comcast to hesitate in cancelling the show after Trump accused Mexicans of being rapists and drug dealers.
Edit, sorry, I did ask you about ratings. I was concentrating on "Does Trump accomplish his tasks?" This post is edited. My mistake. I look at the task at hand. What was Trump's task and goal and did he accomplish his task? Trump says he is successful at business. If that is true, then give Trump the credit. He is after all standing up for what he believes in. Define "successful." By some estimates Trump has lost more money than he has made.
Then you are stating that NBC dumped Trump for accusing Mexicans of being rapist and drug dealers. That is not what Trump or NBC is saying. Say away from the tabloids.
You really have no idea what you're talking about: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/06/29/nbc-dumps-trump/29471971/
Donald Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants have yet more consequences: NBC dumped his beauty pageants and reiterated he will not be in The Apprentice anymore. The network, which has been under pressure to fire Trump since last week, when Univision announced it would not air the Spanish-language version of Trump's Miss USA Pageant, said in a statement that "respect and dignity for all people are cornerstones of our values." "Due to the recent derogatory statements by Donald Trump regarding immigrants, NBCUniversal is ending its business relationship with Mr. Trump," the statement said. "To that end, the annual Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants, which are part of a joint venture between NBC and Trump, will no longer air on NBC. In addition, as Mr. Trump has already indicated, he will not be participating in The Apprentice on NBC" because he has announced he's running as a Republican candidate for president.
There, in NBC's own words, is the statement that NBC fired Trump for making "derogatory statements" about immigrants. It doesn't get any plainer than that. Perhaps you should find a source for news other than NewsMax.
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I went back and revisited the issue of Trump and NBC. On the 25Th NBC made their press release and did nothing against Trump but stated they did not agree with him on his views. But what I found NBC then came back on the 29th and changed it position and dumped Trump for his statements. And that is what you are posting is the 29th statement. You are correct and the 29th statement is the latest statement from NBC.
Next issue.
Define “successful." By some estimates Trump has lost more money than he has made.
Do I have this correct? The point you are trying to make is Trump is a frailer at business. Is that correct?
suc·cess·ful
: resulting or terminating in success
: gaining or having gained success
Merriam-Webster

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I heard Donald being phone interviewed on a cable news show, today (not Fox, as they seem to have banned him for now). At one point he was asked what he would do about ISIS. He basically said it’s a matter of cutting off their funding. What he, then, went on to say is that what he would do about their funding is to capture their oil fields and keep the oil for America.
Does that sound like a legitimate and practical idea, or does it sound like a bullshitter (who doesn’t know what he is talking about) saying something that will appeal to a simple-minded constituency?
I am pretty sure that Donald is all show and no substance.

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I went back and revisited the issue of Trump and NBC. On the 25Th NBC made their press release and did nothing against Trump but stated they did not agree with him on his views. But what I found NBC then came back on the 29th and changed it position and dumped Trump for his statements. And that is what you are posting is the 29th statement. You are correct and the 29th statement is the latest statement from NBC.
Which says that they were dumping him because of his comments, which you claimed was something made up by the tabloids and that they, in fact, never said such a thing.
Next issue. Define “successful." By some estimates Trump has lost more money than he has made. Do I have this correct? The point you are trying to make is Trump is a frailer at business. Is that correct?
Nope. I'm saying that his financial status is uncertain. His FEC filing claims that he's worth $10 billion, Forbes puts it at $4 billion, and I've seen estimates as low as $2 billion. The dollar amount alone isn't indicative of his success, nor is the fact that he filed bankruptcy multiple times, and none of them have diddly to do with what kind of President he'd make. Government and business operate in different ways, and neither can be forced to become wholly like the other. For starters, the President can't order Congress to do his bidding.
suc·cess·ful : resulting or terminating in success : gaining or having gained success Merriam-Webster
And how do you think that applies to Trump? If, for example, he's had more business deals fall through, than go on to completion, but he's still made lots of money, is that "successful" in your eyes? Or is it something else? What about the fact that he's been married three times? I know some people who'd claim that any person who got divorced was a failure, regardless of what their net worth might be, where do you stand on that? Other people will claim that because his sons like to go big game hunting in Africa that he's a failure as a father, and thus not "successful." While we're at it, I couldn't help but notice that you failed to respond to many of my previous questions, so I'll repost them here.
Just to name one. Big government.
"Big government" is a vague term. Be specific. Are you talking about the "Big Government" which is trying to cut funding to Planned Parenthood? The "Big Government" that gutted banking regulation, thus enabling the collapse of the housing market back in '08? The "Big Government" which spends nearly half its income on the military? Or is there some other "Big Government" that you were thinking of?
Haven’t you been watching the IRS piss all over the American people
You mean the same IRS that's had its budget cut so that the number of audits it can perform is down? The same IRS which is basically prohibited from auditing religious groups? That IRS?
and congress then flipping us off?
Congress is presently controlled by the Republican Party. Given Trump's unpopularity with the GOP bosses, what makes you think that the current obstructionist Congress would in any way change?
To name two. Hillary, there is a person that is creating a Caste system and damn proud of it.
How is Hillary "creating a Caste system" and what makes you think that she is "proud of it"?
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I think you’re answering your own question if you understand that people who are successful make a lot of mistakes getting there. They learn and grown upon their mistakes. Those who do nothing never have to worry about making any mistakes.
On big government, I think of it as the ones controlling the housing market and controls the military.
God, I can’t believe you’re defending the IRS. Be quite about it, Jefferson and Adams would turn over in the grave if they knew we allowed a department to operate in such a manner.
And with Hillary, of course you’re joking. If not, I’ll give you three guesses, and the first two don’t count.