Quoting facts on the ground is reality. Do you understand whats going on in Ukraine and Venezuela ?
Such a generic question. Something an AI would ask. I’m commenting on what you’ve already said. Pretty obviously we have different opinions.
Back to the meta argument. You cant give reason to dispute what is said.
If you are still arguing the Russians were promised Ukraine wouldn’t get into NATO or that it’s a legit point for negotiations, then there’s nothing to discuss. You’ve obviously made to your mind.
This has already been answered . the EU , UK and USA position is that russian concerns are fictitious and need not be resolved , then war is inevitable and will be resolved by Russia on her terms. Thats the reality being played out as we speak which is what you dispute.
You are right, USA and Europe have made mistakes.
That can explain Russia attitude, it does not justify it.
An Russian diplomatic langage is coded.
May be West is wrong. But that’s what it thinks. Feelings are more important than truth.
As long as Putin will clearly show that he has given up his project and accept true security mesures for Ukraine, peace will not be possible.
Russian legitimate demands must be accepted, but Russia must accept legitimate West demands.
I’m not disputing that Russia has made up their reasons for attacking Ukraine. They don’t have a legitimate claim on Ukrainian territory. That’s why their only option was a military option. NK and China aren’t supporting them based on some kind of just cause. They too are in this for power.
You are disputing the war is being prosecuted in Russia’s favour
The war has been declared by Russia. I accept the idea that she had some reasons to be unhappy. I would accept she get Crimea and Ukraine off Otan.
But i don’t accept the idea of the end of Ukraine as an independent state.
Putin has taken Crimea, then he has taken east Ukraine, and now he wants more.
That was the Russian/Prussian/Austrian method to gobble Poland in the 18th century.
Do you accept Zel declaration of victory as he told the ABC last Friday?
Putin’s goal is to occupy Ukraine," Zelenskyy said.
“[Putin] wants, of course, to occupy us totally. For him, this [is] victory. And until he can do it, the victory is on our side,” he said. “So that’s why for us to survive is a victory. Because we are surviving with our identity, with our country, with our independence.”
This is the proud declaration of a true chief of state and patriot.
If a victory does not mean the Victory, with a capital V, it is true that as long as Putin does not achieve his goal, he has not won.
Thats a huge concession and acknowledgement of the state of the war. There is zero evidence that Putin’s, or in fact Russia’s goal was or is to occupy Ukraine. to liberate the Russian population that, since the 1990s, was trapped in east Ukraine was shat was said and to prevent Ukraine joining NATO. Neither requires the Russian army to move into the feverish anti-Russia center and western parts of Ukraine.
All conquerors say they are liberators. I didn’t believe Putin.
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You are disputing the war is being prosecuted in Russia’s favour
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What does that mean? Do you mean I don’t think he is winning?
Here’s what AI said. Yeah, I’d say that’s disputable.
According to military and geopolitical analysts, assessing whether the war in Ukraine is being prosecuted in Russia’s favor is complex and debated, with different arguments made on both sides. A definitive conclusion is challenging due to the protracted and attritional nature of the conflict.
Arguments that the war is in Russia’s favor
Wartime economy and resilience: Russia has successfully transitioned its economy to a wartime footing and proven more resilient to Western sanctions than expected. By increasing trade with countries like China and India, it has maintained the resources needed to continue the war.
Larger population and military resources: With a significantly larger population and military-industrial base, Russia is better equipped for a long-term war of attrition. It has a notable advantage in artillery and a larger manpower pool, which, in a war of attrition, works to its advantage.
Battlefield stasis favors Russia: By the end of 2024, Russia had seized over 4,000 square kilometers of additional territory. Some analysts argue that a prolonged stalemate allows Russia to wear down Ukraine’s defenses, especially if Western support slows.
Political strategy to outlast opponents: Russian President Vladimir Putin’s strategy relies on outlasting Western support for Ukraine and exploiting political changes in the United States and Europe.
Arguments that the war is not in Russia’s favor
Failure of major offensives: Contrary to speculation earlier in 2025, Russia’s major summer offensive failed to achieve a decisive breakthrough. Russian advances were limited, and key strategic objectives like Pokrovsk remained in Ukrainian hands.
Failure to achieve original goals: From the start, Russia failed to achieve its primary objective of a quick victory to overthrow the Ukrainian government and seize Kyiv. The war has become a prolonged, costly struggle that contradicts Putin’s initial ambitions.
Heavy casualties and military setbacks: Despite Russia’s larger forces, the war has been immensely costly in terms of casualties. Some estimates, though contested, suggest Russian military losses have been staggeringly high. The conflict has also set back Russia’s military modernization efforts.
International isolation: Western countries have imposed heavy sanctions and sought to isolate Russia diplomatically. Key institutions like the International Criminal Court have issued arrest warrants for Russian officials, and most UN members have condemned the invasion.
Ukrainian resistance and resilience: Ukraine has demonstrated a fierce national will to resist. The initial invasion strengthened Ukrainian national identity and resolve. Western military assistance has allowed Ukraine to inflict significant damage on Russian forces and defend its sovereignty.
Ambiguous and future considerations
Western support: The trajectory of the war is highly dependent on the continuation of military and financial aid from Ukraine’s Western partners. The election of US President Donald Trump and his intent to broker a peace deal has raised concerns in Kyiv about the future of this support.
Russian public opinion: Polling data suggests varying levels of support for the war among the Russian public. While some data show steady support, other research indicates that many Russians see the war as having produced more harm than benefit.
Conclusion
As of September 2025, neither side has achieved a decisive victory, and the war remains a brutal and protracted conflict. While Russia can leverage its larger resources for a war of attrition and has made some territorial gains, its major offensives have failed to break Ukraine’s defenses. Ukraine, supported by Western aid, has shown remarkable resilience and continues to strike inside Russian territory. The war’s ultimate outcome continues to hinge on factors like the stamina of both sides, the level of international support for Ukraine, and political developments.
The first of the war, Russia attacked whole Ukraine, attempting to take Kiev.
The situation seemed so dire that USA proposed asylum to the Ukrainian government.
The idea of a Russian population who needed to be free is Kremlin propaganda.
Ukraine was candidate to NATO, but NATO had told that it will not take it in.
And the idea of an ethnic state as a due was one of the main basis of Hitler propaganda. He used this pretext to annex part of Czechoslovakia, in 1938, disarming it, and one year after, gobbled what remained. That’s a precedent Europe cannot forget.
Since Putin is in power, Chechenia has been taken, parts of Georgia have been conquered, endorsed Azerbaijan conquest of Armenian territories, when he was a garant of the status quo, vassalized Byelorussia.
He has intervened in Africa.
He has launched an informational and internet war on the net, based on trolls and fake news, against west.
And you tell us he is a peaceful man.
I clicked on some facts and it gave me complaints about russian ads on facebook and x , pro russian websites and the arrest of their hosts. Few real examples were given but one was about negative comments towards the german govt in not protecting a particular football team . Concerns are raised when the websites highlight military spending in that country and the state of the economy.
In order for western governments to stay in power deflection to outsiders instead of taking responsibility for the mess they have put their country in. Germany and uk are in recession and the manufacturing sector has been decimated, France carrying massive debt and in political turmoil so on and so. You might need russia to you things are bad in your country with their concentrated media ownership but the root cause is not russia
The war is going so badly for Ukraine that finally now zelensky concedes that territory will be lost and is scrambling to save what is remaining. 1.7 milllion soldiers dead not to mentioned the wounded, the deserters and those that have left the country to avoid conscription. Ukraine is feeling the pressure with the declining support in particular with troops and weaponry. The US cannot afford to be sending to Ukraine as it main client priority is israel and needs new weapons for herself as she prepares for war with China. NATO countries have declared they will not be sending troops to Ukraine until yhe war is ended and russia has the cards to end it on her terms
You could be very right and that’s not good news.
In fact for the 18 months of the war, West has restrained its support to Ukraine, when at this time, the Russian army was very ineffective. And after that, it gave too little and to late.
Charlie kirk shot dead in this great democratic nation. The Dems will surely be in the MAGA firing line more than ever.
Billionaires or bad podcasters, the shooters are always wackos.
Havent caught he she yet. Conservatives hoping its a lefty