In the context of meaningful climate action by caring enough about the earth to pass it onto the next generation in good health , you said society has been corrupted to negate this.
However you said "there are ways to fix it are available to us.”
which I have taken you to mean fixing this corruption.
So i am asking you, what are these ways you speak of?
@djtexas “But I think mankind could survive even this worst case in small numbers though enough to avoid extinction. Of course civilisation and lifestile as we know it to day would crumble and change.”I would love to see the faces of your grand kids when you told them this comforting news
Have you noticed things this summer’s heat has done. Not just the forest fires, and all the sweet water being taken out of depleted reservoirs, but the tidal pools that supply a fair amount of food. Have you thought about the trend of the Colorado River (I do since that’s the one I live within, I’m sure there are many other similar examples to be found.) - How all that water we depend on going to get replenished? What will happen to all the people in the Phoenix area (to mention just the one I’m most familiar with these days) as their water continues depleting and the heat keep climbing, which is about the only thing that’s guaranteed!?
I hear people toss around 5°C temp rise with such casualness that it’s obvious they haven’t taken any notice of the profound horrifying physical changes upon our life sustaining biosphere, that a lousy one degree has wrought. In a 100 years this Earth won’t resemble anything we can even imagine. Sure it’s possible a few groups of humans will survive in pockets here and there, but it’ll be like no place any of us could survive for a moment. Nor would want to.
For course, I speak with 66 years under my belt and so death isn’t that far away for me one way or the other and I know, I had the good years and lived them. As for my little B and that little bro, that should be entering the world any hour/minute now, and the other youngsters in my life, - can’t even think about the future and totally focus on the today.
@djtexas. In the context of meaningful climate action by caring enough about the earth to pass it onto the next generation in good health , you said society has been corrupted to negate this.To put Lausten's statement in context you could start by googling:
"How Rupert Murdoch denies manmade global warming"https: //ourworld_unu_edu/en/silencing-the-scientists-the-rise-of-right-wing-populism
Silencing the Scientists: the Rise of Right-wing Populism
SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY : Climate Change, Politics, Technology
2011•03•02 Clive Hamilton Australian National University
Foxgate: Leaked email reveals Fox News boss Bill Sammon ordered staff to cast doubt on climate science
JOE ROMM. Think Progress DEC 15, 2010,much much more out there for the honestly curious.
Check out EXXOM SECRETS
Or the history written by Naomi Oreskes, “Merchants of Doubt” does a wonderful job of laying out a historical timeline of how the public has been ruthlessly manipulated. Of course, that the public wanted to be fooled and didn’t want to face the reality of the choice society was faced with around mid-century is another aspect of this story. Our general ignorance and disregard for Earth had a lot to do with our downfall. So the Bible’s command to multiply and consume everything in sight, made ultimate disaster inevitable.
Oh about that lesson of mid century, namely, that our human avarice and sky rocketing populating simply could not be sustained by Earth’s Biosphere. One of the biggest problems was our inevitable increasing of our planet’s atmosphere’s insulating abilities, thanks to fossil fuels burning and their greenhouse gas emissions. After all, everything depends on good weather.
It was simple unavoidable physics. Warming our planet beyond the historical climate regime (that triggered and sustained human agriculture and societies these past ten thousand some years of evolution) (of course, that’s on top of the previous 4.6 billion years that set the stage for our explosion) was going to make current life styles impossible for the biosphere we depend on. The past half century we have witnessed those warnings coming true with a vengeance and the consequences will be harsh.
It makes no difference how distasteful, or self-deluded or blind one is to physical reality - Physical Reality is still the master.
The tempo of our downfall has been slow but very steadily increasing, the scorching heat of this summer, is only a taster of things to come in, now, our near future. Behold what mankind has wrought, it’s own self-destruction. We knew, we knew, ALL the increasing knowledge gathered over the past half century has supported and reinforced what we knew by 1960/70. Now here we stand in the comfort of our wonderful memories, doing our best to ignore what we have done to our children’s world. I imagine if we had to do it all over again, not a damned thing would be different.
Well unless we make learning about Earth and her Evolution and how she created us, and made it the a center piece of our knowledge base. Then things might have worked out, but consumption, power, war and profits were all more important. So here we are.
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:Is that supposed to change the reality of what we have done and how it’s impacting our world today?:
What are you talking about?
And don’t speak for others
which I have taken you to mean fixing this corruption. -- DJI didn't mean that. And I clarified that I don't have ideas about fixing corruption. Unless you count ignoring the bastards and trying to connect with my neighbors. We've lost the sense of community that allowed for a diversity of opinions, it existed even when there were kings and queens and slaves, but now we expect that either I eat the same things you do for breakfast or I'm destroying the fabric of the nation. That was a general "you", not you DJ.
Corruption will be corrected when the people in the middle 50% figure out how much power they have.
What I meant by fixing was, carbon sequestration, electric cars, solar houses, distributed grid, reduced consumption, less meat eating, more local eating, less military, less shipping plastic crap across oceans, less plastic crap, more fruit and shade trees, more gardens, more children making forts in fields from scrap wood, more butterfly gardens, more acoustic music in the park, stuff like that.
And don’t speak for others -- DJCC doesn't speak for me, he "put my statement in context". Read, think, then post DJ.
I don’t need him to give any context. I was asking you.
djt said; 347112 and 346116:Is that supposed to change the reality of what we have done and how it’s impacting our world today?:
lausten said; CC doesn’t speak for me, he “put my statement in context”. Read, think, then post DJ.
djt said; I don’t need him to give any context. I was asking you.Strange, I had no problem following the conversation and identification of the "commercial corruption of living in harmony with nature".
We haven’t yet come to a full discussion of possible corrective action that may or may not be effective to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and re-sequester it into the ground where it was before we sucked it up and spewed it back into the atmosphere.
I for one have made an initial suggestion of a massive effort to plant industrial Hemp, a much more effective and useful crop than trees, which need years to grow to maturity. 1 acre of Hemp scrubs as much CO2 as 20 acres of trees.
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I don’t think you appreciate the gravity of the situation.
Carbon sequestation? By what means ? Does this include CC & S?
Solar houses? No good without battery storage and microgrids within the neighbourhood to share excess power generated.
Electric cars? If you had read this thread you would have picked up how useless this would be if the grid remained powered by FF.
Reduced consumption less meat? Considering the earth has finite resources and the ridiculous amount of resources it takes to produce a steak on your plate, it’s going to take an elimination of farm meat from our diet.
Reduced military ? Would need the military budget to go fighting climate change.
The other stuff relates to work life balance and an economic system that frees man to have the time to enjoy the pleasures of life.
The situation is so deperate its going to take a complete transformation on how we live work eat over the next 10 years.
You didnt raise what we need to do bring this change. A Carbon tax and phasing out fossil fuel use through regulations in closing down coal fired power stations banning on shore & offshore drilling, massive investment into public transport infrastructure, investing in plant agriculture like write4u suggests instead of animal agriculture and changing our consumption patterns through a carbon credit scheme are all actions the government can take to bring change. You need to make the alternatives to a low carbon lifestyle available to people to assure people make the change. No good if we want people to use more public transport if it’s not available to them.
All this is significant change that needs to occur. Covid has forced our hand some what to change our lifestyle to the point of it being part of today’s conversation in moving forward.
And I agree with Morgan. These changes are incompatible with capitalism with it’s usefulness outlived with what our needs are now to survive and thrive.
I don’t need him to give any context. -- djYour needs aren't my priority
I don’t think you appreciate the gravity of the situation.I'm not surprised you came back with arguments that required little thought. That's why I took so long to answer
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A non sequitur.
That word. I don’t think you know what it means
@djtexas The situation is so deperate its going to take a complete transformation on how we live work eat over the next 10 years.True dat. Sadly that transformation is going to happen the hard way and at the hands of our battered biosphere and climate system, our chance to do it the easy way, and a bit of control, was last century. Been playing out the clock ever since. Hoping we could at least stretch out that changes, but instead, humanity insisted on peddle to the metal and meat in the belly. Well, yeah, I do eat meat. But, again what I do or think, doesn't change the physical reality of what we've done.
Sanity required a massive communal effort - one that was appreciative of the fact that we need each other to keep ourselves honest. Along with honest curiosity with a good faith desire to learn our this planet Earth, who’s evolution created us and who’s biosphere provides our life support system.
Also, this is a public club, every time you post something it’s game for anyone who’s read the rules and signed up to this CFI forum, no invitation necessary. Though coherence is preferred.
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“That word. I don’t think you know what it means”
Sounds like you want to pick a fight instead of having a conversation about what needs to be done in addressing AGW .
@djtexas The situation is so deperate its going to take a complete transformation on how we live work eat over the next 10 years.I am very much aware of the situation and planting Hemp will produce results that very year
Take deforestation.
2,821,363 Forest loss this year (hectares)
Quick Facts: The number shown above is the net of reforestation. https://www.worldometers.info/
The planting of 300,000 hectares of Industrial Hemp in the US alone will offset the entire world’s deforestation of trees this year while providing a replacement for many oil-based commercial products.
This can be done NOW, not later having to wait for a complete transformation of how we live work, or eat.
It is you who is creating obstacles by making “the perfect the enemy of the good”. Don’t just stand there and shout. DO SOMETHING!
A complete transformation is what it’s going to take. I am all for the hemp mass plantation you speak of.
A complete transformation is what it’s going to take. I am all for the hemp mass plantation you speak of. - djAnd how would you accomplish that?
Sounds like you want to pick a fight instead of having a conversationI'd like a conversation. I don't know what you are doing.
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You didnt provide my full quote. I have no interest in your games
I have no interest in your games -- djThat's what I said