That has already failed, it was changed to three children eligible for subsidy, but no penalty for any number .
China’s population drops for the first time in decades
Mainland China’s population, excluding foreigners, fell by 850,000 people in 2022 to 1.41 billion, the statistics bureau said. The country reported 9.56 million births and 10.41 million deaths for 2022.
“The contraction of the total population reflects the impact of the pandemic and the associated economic downturn on fertility demand,” Yue Su, principal economist, Economist Intelligence Unit, said in a note. She said China could see a short-term return to population growth after the impact of the pandemic subsides.
850,000 more deaths than births is about what the US lost from COVID (1+ million) .
Note that China has 1.41 billion people whereas the US has 330 million people .
United States
Population: 329.5 million (2020)
Fertility rate: 1.64 births per woman (2020)
Life expectancy: 77.28 years (2020)
Population growth rate: 1.0% annual change (2020)
U.S. Fertility Rate 1950-2023
Macrotrends
Year–Fertility Rate–Growth Rate
2023------1.784--------0.110%
2022------1.782--------0.060%
2021------1.781--------0.110%
View 71 more rows U.S. Fertility Rate (1950-2025)
What does that matter, if the current population increase is socially and physically unsustainable?
Not to mention that the entire stage all of this is unfolding on is going through a radical transition like none humanity has faced, well, at least not in the past ten thousand years for sure.
Nooooo… I never said anything about zero births. I always meant zero population growth…difference.
Zero population growth is achieved when births = deaths. This will undoubted fluctuate but the idea is that over a long periods of time the average birth rate will equal the death rate, resulting in a stable optimum sustainable number of individuals.
Not everyone’s end of life is painful. My grandmother and my great grandmother lived to be 94 years of age. They just took a nap one day, never to wake up again.
Nope, China has just now started debating, due to it’s decrease in younger population, to make it just two, from only one to two. So it’s not been done yet.
Yes, and to get that, at this point, you’re proposing 0 births. No one is going to go for that. The only way it can work, is for everyone to accept having no more than 2 kids.
I’m not against people having happy years at any age. Im for changing the conversation about death and dying. When I discuss hospice with people, I find many don’t understand it. There is no current law that allows me to direct people to help me die if I lose my ability to make that decision due to an incurable disease like Alzheimers.
Remember the “they’re going to kill grandma” misinformation during the Obama Care debate? The Catholic control of the conversation, that only God can decide when we die, is still strong.
No Mriana,
At current death rates @ 15,065,202, I propose 15,065,202 birth rates which currently stands @ 30,085,088 , That would result in zero growth.
If there were zero birth rates then the population would reduce by 15,065,202 each year. and eventually result in extinction, as you correctly observed.
This is map of current “fertility rates” in the world as CC already posted before.
From the most developed to the least developed countries, knowing the rate at which a nation’s population is increasing or decreasing is helpful. One of the most commonly used metrics to measure this growth is fertility rate.
At its most basic, fertilty rate measures the average number of children that women of childbearing age give birth to in a given country. Fertility rate is closely related to birth rate, which measures the number of live births per 1,000 people in a given country each year. Fertility rate and birth rate are often used to help determine a country’s replacement rate, which determines if the number of new citizens born each year is higher or lower than the number of citizens who pass away each year. Population growth or shrinkage can have a significant impact on a country’s development and economic stability.
Ironically the current drive to ban abortions is going to make the population problem worse. Go figure.
I’ll try to impart some of my views on this, although I can’t present this at a peer reviewed level. This chart shows about half the world is at “lower middle” income. There have been improvements for those making less than $2 a day recently, but there is also controversy about how that is calculated. My feeling is, too many people are living like humans did a million years ago, relying on having babies to be sure some of them survive long enough to help gather food and take care of them when they’re old. We either have an educated, productive population that works together, or that million year old system. What we have now is the advantages of the old system are hidden and abstract, but still supporting the elite, just like always. What is significant about that is, treating the poor like they are valuable will result in fewer babies and bring these numbers down quicker than some government program for the higher incomes.
That, and the shifting of resources from keeping people alive in intensive care and facilities (where they either don’t know who their family is, or their family doesn’t visit them ever) to health care and nutrition for all, would do more to change the world than trying to tell a soccer parent they can’t field an entire team.
I can’t present this data to win a Nobel Prize, but these two did. I listened to their lectures to their students in an online course a few years ago, after I had heard the term “economics of the poor”.
I’m just glad there’s no Alzheimer’s in my family. Although, watching my mother, I’d say there is some dementia that I didn’t see in my grandmother and great grandmother. I’m not sure what my mother’s problem is, but they believe is vascular, which makes since given my aunt died from strokes and my grandfather a heart attack.
I would prefer my children take care of me, because I refuse to live in assisted living or a nursing home or some other lame long term care facility that doesn’t care for the elderly and just drugs them with a lot of drugs and then adds another drug (anti-nausea) if all those drugs cause their stomach to refuse the pills. I refuse to live under such conditions and it’s why I want my family to watch after me.
You can request home-health care service.
You can select a competent caregiver, usually a retired hospital RN, LPN, or CNA from an agency and they come in and assist with whatever you need assistance with.
My wife has been a home health care provider for twenty years after she retired from Hospital and she only accepts one client, but then becomes her care-giver friend and confidant.
She has served her current client who has no close family for 10 years and her client loves her and considers her the only family she has.
My mother in law, 97 years old, is in an institution for old mentally disabled people. We visit her. She is a wreck, but sometimes, she is better. I have seen and heard the people hospitalized here.
My old neighbor a woman of more than 90, is in such an institution. She escapes sometimes and comes to her old appartement. She complains she has forgotten her keys. We take her back and call her daughter.
In fact, both don’t know they are in such an institution, have lost their recent memories.
According my brother, who is a gerontological psychiatre, if they don’t die before, their fate is to finish sucking their thumb, wrapped, on a bed, as babies.
My personal choice would be to end my life before being seriously mentally disabled. but that is a very personal choice and I perfectly admit other choices.
Now, it is true that the cost of the care for old people will increase during the next years.
In Japan roughly 30 % of people are over 65 years old.
That’s why I included valuing health care for all as part of the changes we need. Now, we simultaneously avoid the conversation about how life should be near its end and keep how we are handling it for many hidden away.
That’s not true of everyone. There are rare people who are in their 90s still driving and taking care of themselves. How? I don’t know, but I met one and wouldn’t have known she was 90 until she told me. She surely had to have been accompanied by someone, but I didn’t pin her down. My grandmother and great grandmother didn’t drive after 80, but they still fixed their own food and/or helped their daughters with food prep. They weren’t ones to be pushed into the corner to grow old. In fact, my grandmother was so against growing old, that she took my grandfather’s cane away from him and made him walk without it. I don’t advise that, but she did.
I agree. I don’t understand why healthcare is so expensive when it doesn’t have to be, except for Corporate Greed.
While countries all over the world saw life expectancy rebound during the second year of the pandemic after the arrival of vaccines, the U.S. did not.
Then, last week, more bad news: Maternal mortality in the U.S. reached a high in 2021. Also, a paper in the Journal of the American Medical Association found rising mortality rates among U.S. children and adolescents.
We’re obviously doing a lot of things wrong. Our frivolous priorities are catching up with us.
I’m not saying they get together on a secret island and plan, but the most profitable scenario is for them to build compounds, stockpile weapons, and let everything collapse, then get the survivors to do the rebuilding.
A preferred capitalist strategy is limiting the lifespan of goods so that they need to be replaced and the corporation makes chain profits on a single item.
Has anybody noticed that the greatest profits are realized on sickness and death?
President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Farewell Address (1961)
Citation: Farewell address by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, January 17, 1961; Final TV Talk 1/17/61 (1), Box 38, Speech Series, Papers of Dwight D. Eisenhower as President, 1953-61, Eisenhower Library; National Archives and Records Administration
A couple thousand years of philosophy and they haven’t learned a thing.
Then I look at greedy rich people and the juvenile ephemeral empty garbage they lavish their time and wealth on. Their shallowness is truly astounding. It’s beyond grotesque and sociopathic.
