I have seldom seen some one so cynically changing opinion about religion, while publicly leading a life so contrary to religion.
And i would add, so publicly promoting values and polices so contrary to christian claimed values.
If he is a believer he is a great hypocrite.
Note that he also leads a life contrary to reason, science, and compassion.
A good point for him, nevertheless : When Covid epidemic, came he gave the money needed to create a vaccine.
It does not erase the way he handled the disease and the epidemic, but it mitigates it
Dominion is a human evil that wants to take over the U.S. government and force their brand of Xianity on everyone.
Fair enough. Atheists are uncomfortable with any flimsy connection to Christianity in politics. Trump just makes it seem much worse than it really is.
Okay so it’s the Christian Nationalists, he’s blocking for, that is much much worse than it has any right to be. God actually talking to you, telling you what to do, the hubristic insanity, Lordie, lordie.
Keep in mind @thatoneguy that there are many christians who are also very angry with what christian nationalists are doing to their religion.
And the connection is certainly not flimsy. Denominations are splitting in two with half going with the more liberal and compassionate side and the other half branching off into anti lgbtq, anti science branch. Check out this LINK
Good points as always coffee. I quit the Methodists because I could see the way they argued about the gay issue exposed how religion is not designed to reflect on what’s true. It claims truth and punishes non-belief. Exactly what Trump and those like him do.
That is not quite accurate, IMO .
Atheists have tolerated all kinds of infringement on the “separation of church and state”.
Yet, it is the theists who complain about persecution.
But it is true that atheists are afraid of any religion dictating policy and politics.
In Muslim theocracies, apostasy is punishable with death. (Fatwah).
AFAIK, there is not a single instance of an atheist killing a theist for being a believer.
Yes, Christian Nationalists are a minority on the religious landscape, which counts for a lot in this discussion.
The minority that consists of “religious warriors”, who don’t mind killing in the name of God…
Read the story of Hypatia.
It counts for much more than this discussion. January 6 was driven in large part by christian nationalists.
And this minority is a very large minority. It’s not like 2%. A Pew research poll puts it at 45%. This is the largest threat to democracy we are facing. See HERE
OCTOBER 27, 2022
45% of Americans Say U.S. Should Be a ‘Christian Nation’
But they hold differing opinions about what that phrase means, and two-thirds of U.S. adults say churches should keep out of politics
BY GREGORY A. SMITH, MICHAEL ROTOLO AND PATRICIA TEVINGTON
Growing numbers of religious and political leaders are embracing the “Christian nationalist” label, and some dispute the idea that the country’s founders wanted a separation of church and state. On the other side of the debate, however, many Americans – including the leaders of many Christian churches – have pushed back against Christian nationalism, calling it a “danger” to the country.
Most U.S. adults believe America’s founders intended the country to be a Christian nation, and many say they think it should be a Christian nation today, according to a new Pew Research Center survey designed to explore Americans’ views on the topic. But the survey also finds widely differing opinions about what it means to be a “Christian nation” and to support “Christian nationalism.” …
I was curious. Seemed worth sharing.
The word “minority” gets thrown around without much context. 70% of people want sensible gun laws, but we don’t have them. Recent elections have had “record turnouts”, meaning we are finally cracking 50%. I’m not sure how scientific these numbers are, but I hear a small group of people can affect major change.
The ‘3.5% rule’: How a small minority can change the world (bbc.com)
So, what does oneguy mean by minority? Where does he get his data? Who knows?
Self-identification in this case is important. If you are willing to tell a pollster that you think this nation should be run by Christians with Christian values, you probably live like that’s true. If you look at the history of polls, 100 years ago, questions about atheists or gays weren’t even asked. Ideas about “blood” were written into law, like how “Indian” you are or how “African” or should you even take a transfusion from a different “race”. Marrying outside of your religion was a scandal.
So, here’s some numbers
Poll: A third of Americans are Christian nationalists and most are white evangelicals (religionnews.com)
WRT the last linked poll. It’s always a red flag when “white” shows up in a label. Racism is certainly a part of this christian nationalism. Also, the poll mentions how our two-party system forces greater significance on a “minority”. That’s certainly an unintended consequence.
CitizensChallenge already pointed this out but Christian Nationalism and those who believe America is inherently Christian are not necessarily the same thing.
That’s true. Who said they were? The CC post also points out that 2/3 of Americans think churches should stay out of politics, yet there are churches that tell people how to vote.
So even those who might not be christian nationalists (but christian) are being influenced illegally.
Freedom of opinions !!!
Churches may choose their candidates, even in France, a very secularist countries.
It is up to the voter to choose.
In the US, there is supposed to be a wall between church and state.
Since even the billion dollar mega churches don’t pay taxes, we have laws.
The Laws
Too bad it’s not illegal to be influenced by religion.
