Choosing a 2014-2015 flu vaccine

General Discussion
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Ok, if you have done the research and determined that your egg allergy was not caused by vaccines, fine. You may have had acid reducing medications when consuming egg?
Nope, no acid reducing medications
As far as I know, intact egg proteins must come into contact with your blood for you to develop allergies. If you have determined that this happened to you by a route other than vaccines, fine.
I didn't determined it. The pediatrician my parents took me too did and to this day, eggs still give me the same old rash when I consume them.
Of course some diseases can be of genetic origin. The problem is, how do you explain a genetic change that causes ASD in so many people in just one generation? It is far more likely that a combination of pre-existing latent genetic predisposition and some new environmental factor(s) that now trigger it are the cause. One environmental factor that must be investigated is vaccines because of the big increase in the number of vaccines over the last few decades. We simply do not understand enough about vaccines and their effect to declare them safe and close the case. If you believe genetics can explain it all, please provide the appropriate references.
Seems to me you're in denial about being an anti-vaccer, esp since you took my previous post personally and now making statements that aren't backed up by actual science, only by pseudo-science. That said, I can vouch for my younger son having an ASD high functioning. Even so, you wish to look at vaccines and not our environment. Vaccines are not an environmental factor, but the use of nuclear technology is. All the nuclear waste, nuclear bombs, and nuclear power plant spills are a more likely cause than vaccines, esp since vaccines have been around before the 1900s. WWII saw the first of two nuclear bombs, then there was Chernobyl and other nuclear power plants that spilled out vast amounts of nuclear radiation into our atmosphere and these atoms don't stay in one place given that wind, ocean currents, and alike push things around. Before you say that's not possible (which it could be), my mother was the first known case of breast cancer in my family that my grandmother knew of. Years earlier, my mother had to drink radioactive iodine to kill her Graves Disease (a non-malignant tumour of the thyroid for starters). I asked my own dr if there could be any relationship given that my mother was the first known case in our family and she said it is possible. Thus, I would suggest looking at the newer items that are actually in the environment before looking at things that aren't actually in our environment.
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People are not paying enough attention to study vaccine vs. food allergy and resolve this huge problem.
Anti-vaccers really get on my nerves because they refuse to see how many lives vaccines save. Which is worse? Dying from smallpox or being allergic to eggs? Personally, I rather take the egg allergy that wasn't even caused by the vaccinations my mother made sure I had, just as I made sure my sons had too, who BTW do not have any food allergies. We just discussed how my son who is allergic to egg was able to get flu shots. You turn around and call me an anti-vaccer? "Dying from smallpox or being allergic to eggs?" That is a false choice. I want a safer vaccine that will protect without causing disease. People want a better iPhone every two years. But it is blasphemy to suggest that vaccine safety must be improved? If the benefit of vaccine-preventable diseases outweighing the risk of food allergy is an official position, then why don't they list food allergy as a side effect on vaccine package inserts? No, I didn't say you were an anti-vaccer. I said that anti-vaccers get on my nerves and then I asked questions, not necessarily directed at you, but you chose to respond only because I singled out one statement that you made. People want better iPhones every 2 years? Really? I think it is only those individuals who use an iPhone who want a better one. Those of us who still use land lines could care less about iPhones, but I don't take the remark as personally as you took mine. There is an old saying though, "If the shoe fits..." I have lost count of the number of times I have been called an anti-vaccer on this thread, so I thought this was no different ...
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Ok, if you have done the research and determined that your egg allergy was not caused by vaccines, fine. You may have had acid reducing medications when consuming egg?
Nope, no acid reducing medications
As far as I know, intact egg proteins must come into contact with your blood for you to develop allergies. If you have determined that this happened to you by a route other than vaccines, fine.
I didn't determined it. The pediatrician my parents took me too did and to this day, eggs still give me the same old rash when I consume them.
Of course some diseases can be of genetic origin. The problem is, how do you explain a genetic change that causes ASD in so many people in just one generation? It is far more likely that a combination of pre-existing latent genetic predisposition and some new environmental factor(s) that now trigger it are the cause. One environmental factor that must be investigated is vaccines because of the big increase in the number of vaccines over the last few decades. We simply do not understand enough about vaccines and their effect to declare them safe and close the case. If you believe genetics can explain it all, please provide the appropriate references.
Seems to me you're in denial about being an anti-vaccer, esp since you took my previous post personally and now making statements that aren't backed up by actual science, only by pseudo-science. That said, I can vouch for my younger son having an ASD high functioning. Even so, you wish to look at vaccines and not our environment. Vaccines are not an environmental factor, but the use of nuclear technology is. All the nuclear waste, nuclear bombs, and nuclear power plant spills are a more likely cause than vaccines, esp since vaccines have been around before the 1900s. WWII saw the first of two nuclear bombs, then there was Chernobyl and other nuclear power plants that spilled out vast amounts of nuclear radiation into our atmosphere and these atoms don't stay in one place given that wind, ocean currents, and alike push things around. Before you say that's not possible (which it could be), my mother was the first known case of breast cancer in my family that my grandmother knew of. Years earlier, my mother had to drink radioactive iodine to kill her Graves Disease (a non-malignant tumour of the thyroid for starters). I asked my own dr if there could be any relationship given that my mother was the first known case in our family and she said it is possible. Thus, I would suggest looking at the newer items that are actually in the environment before looking at things that aren't actually in our environment. "now making statements that aren't backed up by actual science, only by pseudo-science." Please be specific. Which statement? Vaccines have been around for a long time but there were fewer of them and five of them were not injected in one sitting as they are done today. Adjuvants that stimulate and make the immune system very sensitive are relatively new in vaccines. Peanut oil was introduced as an adjuvant in vaccines in 1964. You cannot compare the 40-50 vaccines a child receives today to the 1900s. You are absolutely right about the dangers of nuclear pollution. For example, I avoid apples grown in Washington state. Scientific American wrote "there is not enough money in the world to clean up Hanford, WA nuclear facility". Nuclear pollution causes random mutations. One would not expect a pattern like increase in ASD. If for example, you have some study showing high ASD in the aftermath of Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Chernobyl, then that would really be interesting. Like I already wrote, science is about coming up with as many hypotheses as you can to explain observed phenomena. The ones that explain and predict the most observed phenomena are accepted. If you think nuclear pollution can cause food allergy or ASD, please describe the mechanism and provide the references. The government has been horrendous in causing/handling nuclear pollution. I am surprised that you trust them blindly when it comes to vaccine safety...
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People want a better iPhone every two years. But it is blasphemy to suggest that vaccine safety must be improved? If the benefit of vaccine-preventable diseases outweighing the risk of food allergy is an official position, then why don't they list food allergy as a side effect on vaccine package inserts?
That's kind of telling isn't it? Comparing one of the most successful consumer products, marketed by a company that specifically targets people who want the new technology as soon as it comes out, the young/short attention crowd, to science that needs to done carefully with attention to detail and thorough testing. Why don't you just go around to labs throw temper tantrums? "science that needs to done carefully with attention to detail and thorough testing." The original post was about attention to detail. The FDA/CDC ask you get a flu shot. Only if you pay attention to detail do you find out that every one of the dozen flu shots is different. The FDA does not pay attention to detail. There is no specification, no testing to specification. They hand-wave, gloss over details and make some vague statement like "The FDA reviews vaccine composition in its entirety to ensure the safety and efficacy of the vaccine". Thorough testing? They have done zero testing of any of the allergens. So you have now proved to yourself that FDA's vaccine approval has nothing to do with science.
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Nuclear pollution causes random mutations. One would not expect a pattern like increase in ASD. If for example, you have some study showing high ASD in the aftermath of Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Chernobyl, then that would really be interesting. Like I already wrote, science is about coming up with as many hypotheses as you can to explain observed phenomena. The ones that explain and predict the most observed phenomena are accepted. If you think nuclear pollution can cause food allergy or ASD, please describe the mechanism and provide the references. The government has been horrendous in causing/handling nuclear pollution. I am surprised that you trust them blindly when it comes to vaccine safety...
Did you read what you just said? "Nuclear pollution causes random mutations." That is an accurate statement and given that statement, yes, one would expect a pattern of increased ASD. ASD generally run in families, but even just one mutation in a family it doesn't run in can potentially cause one to have an ASD. As far as food allergies go, have in in-law who is a nurse and even she says we need to look at all the radiation that is in the environment and nuclear radiation is just one of them. She also agrees with me that vaccines are not environmental, but radiation is. I don't trust government studies, I trust scientific studies and I don't trust them blindly. I often question some of the things some studies report. This is where your statements fall short though- my mother made sure I received all the vaccines available when I was growing up and I did like-wise with my sons. My sons don't have any known food allergies. I also served them vegetarian meals, giving them the choice of eating meat when we visited others or went out to eat and they still do not have any known food allergies. Whether or not my mother received all her vaccines as a child, I do not know, but she is allergic to strawberries, yet again, my sons do not have any food allergies. Thus, your statements do not hold true, at least not in my family, and my sons follow the pattern of genetics, not your vaccine assumption. What do I mean by the pattern of genetics? Well, it goes a little like this- brown eyes (which are dominate) will more likely show in a child with father with brown eyes and a mother with blue eyes (recessive). So, if one parent doesn't have food allergies, then there is less of a chance the child will too, unless it turns out to be a dominate gene OR the parent with the dominant gene is a carrier of the recessive gene, in which case, if the two recessive genes pair up, then the recessive gene could show- ie you can have one black parent and one white parent, if the black parent carries a white complexion gene, then the child could come out looking white in complexion, the same can hold true with two black parents carrying "white" genes, if the gene for the complexion is in their genetic history. So yes, allergies AND autism can and often are genetic, but the things that are in the environment can also contribute, but vaccines are not one of the environmental factors, because they are not in the environment.
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The FDA does not pay attention to detail. There is no specification, no testing to specification. They hand-wave, gloss over details and make some vague statement like "The FDA reviews vaccine composition in its entirety to ensure the safety and efficacy of the vaccine". Thorough testing? They have done zero testing of any of the allergens. So you have now proved to yourself that FDA's vaccine approval has nothing to do with science.
So they just lie then?]Is that your entire argument?
Vaccines have been around for a long time but there were fewer of them and five of them were not injected in one sitting as they are done today.
If you don't want to be labeled an anti-vaxxers, then don't say things that only anti-vaxxers say.
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Nuclear pollution causes random mutations. One would not expect a pattern like increase in ASD. If for example, you have some study showing high ASD in the aftermath of Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Chernobyl, then that would really be interesting. Like I already wrote, science is about coming up with as many hypotheses as you can to explain observed phenomena. The ones that explain and predict the most observed phenomena are accepted. If you think nuclear pollution can cause food allergy or ASD, please describe the mechanism and provide the references. The government has been horrendous in causing/handling nuclear pollution. I am surprised that you trust them blindly when it comes to vaccine safety...
Did you read what you just said? "Nuclear pollution causes random mutations." That is an accurate statement and given that statement, yes, one would expect a pattern of increased ASD. ASD generally run in families, but even just one mutation in a family it doesn't run in can potentially cause one to have an ASD. As far as food allergies go, have in in-law who is a nurse and even she says we need to look at all the radiation that is in the environment and nuclear radiation is just one of them. She also agrees with me that vaccines are not environmental, but radiation is. I don't trust government studies, I trust scientific studies and I don't trust them blindly. I often question some of the things some studies report. This is where your statements fall short though- my mother made sure I received all the vaccines available when I was growing up and I did like-wise with my sons. My sons don't have any known food allergies. I also served them vegetarian meals, giving them the choice of eating meat when we visited others or went out to eat and they still do not have any known food allergies. Whether or not my mother received all her vaccines as a child, I do not know, but she is allergic to strawberries, yet again, my sons do not have any food allergies. Thus, your statements do not hold true, at least not in my family, and my sons follow the pattern of genetics, not your vaccine assumption. What do I mean by the pattern of genetics? Well, it goes a little like this- brown eyes (which are dominate) will more likely show in a child with father with brown eyes and a mother with blue eyes (recessive). So, if one parent doesn't have food allergies, then there is less of a chance the child will too, unless it turns out to be a dominate gene OR the parent with the dominant gene is a carrier of the recessive gene, in which case, if the two recessive genes pair up, then the recessive gene could show- ie you can have one black parent and one white parent, if the black parent carries a white complexion gene, then the child could come out looking white in complexion, the same can hold true with two black parents carrying "white" genes, if the gene for the complexion is in their genetic history. So yes, allergies AND autism can and often are genetic, but the things that are in the environment can also contribute, but vaccines are not one of the environmental factors, because they are not in the environment. Random mutations can cause ASD. The problem is random mutations also cause extra digits, extra limbs, missing digits, two heads etc. Do you see all those defects in children at the same rate as ASD? If random mutation due to radiation were the cause, you should. If you only see ASD, then it cannot be random mutations. That is the problem of trying to explain ASD using radiation. Egg allergy occurs in 2% of the population. So 98% of people who receive vaccines are not going get egg allergy. So your sons not having food allergies is not surprising but it does not prove that vaccines don't cause food allergies. Sick of my "pseudoscience"? Here is some "pseudomath": Muscle density is 1.09g/ml 20% of that is muscle protein 0.212 g/ml 3% of that is tropomyosin 0.00636 g/ml 25 gauge 5/8 inch needle used for intramuscular injection has an outer diameter of 0.5mm and so a volume of 3 cubic mm. or 0.003 ml. If during injection, muscle volume corresponding to the entire volume of the needle was torn off and deposited as a blob, it would have a volume of 0.003 ml. Tropomyosin in that volume = 2e-5 g. or 20 mcg (if my "pseudomath" is correct). A flu shot contains 15 mcg of viral protein. The study below shows 100% of those who received the flu shot developed allergy to the virus (Anti-Influenza IgE). Smith-Norowitz TA, Wong D, Kusonruksa M, Norowitz KB, Joks R, Durkin HG, Bluth MH. Long Term Persistence of IgE Anti-Influenza Virus Antibodies in Pediatric and Adult Serum Post Vaccination with Influenza Virus Vaccine. Int J Med Sci 2011; 8(3):239-244. doi:10.7150/ijms.8.239. Available from http://www.medsci.org/v08p0239.htm So with 20 mcg of tropomyosin injected, everyone who receives an intramuscular shot can expect to develop allergy to tropomyosin. Since muscles are soft, the needle probably does not bore a clean hole. A lot of the muscle probably gets squeezed out of the way. If not for this detail, perhaps a lot more of us will probably be dealing with autoimmune disorders associated with tropomyosin as shown below: Das, KM; Dasgupta, A; Mandal, A; Geng, X (1993). “Autoimmunity to cytoskeletal protein tropomyosin. A clue to the pathogenetic mechanism for ulcerative colitis". J Immunol 150 (6): 2487–2493. PMID 8450225. And BTW, it does not need to be a vaccine at all. Any intramuscular injection would do it. So that makes me an "anti-injectionist" now!
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Lausten,
“Vaccines have been around for a long time but there were fewer of them and five of them were not injected in one sitting as they are done today.”
Is that a fact or not? My son got five shots, developed an allergic reaction, spent a night in the ICU and Johns Hopkins scratched their heads trying to determine what could have caused it
because they were lost in the soup that was injected.
Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine
Causal relation is likely

The authors say:
“Public health officials want to avoid scaring the public, but they risk depriving damaged children of compensation. Denials of safety issues may erode public confidence, especially since diabetes induced by the vaccine may be avoided by starting vaccination a few weeks earlier.”
You won’t find any diabetes warning on an Hib vaccine package insert. You see the FDA has to weigh the benefits and the risks. The benefits of herd immunity in their minds seems to have outweighed the risk of hiding the truth. I wonder how macgyver feels when the FDA keeps him in the dark about vaccine side effects.
macgyver is supposed to report adverse events to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). If one is kept in the dark, how is one going to report it? If one does not report it, a researcher looking at the VAERS statistics will conclude that vaccines are safe. Everybody reads that report and conclude vaccines are safe. So any future adverse event is dismissed as unrelated to vaccines. The vicious cycle continues.

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Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine Causal relation is likely http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116914/
Here's why we call you an anti-vaxxer. This is from Wikipedia, but don't dismiss it based on that alone. Refute the facts if you can.
His work has been criticized by some, such as Amy Wallace, who wrote that the vaccine-diabetes link "...relies on the flawed work of one doctor [Classen], who gathered data on a slew of vaccines and failed to follow standard study protocols. No other study — including those using the same data — could reproduce the results."[7] Studies that have investigated the potential link between vaccines and diabetes include one, published by Frank DeStefano, which "did not find an increased risk of type 1 diabetes associated with any of the routinely recommended childhood vaccines."[8] DeStefano et al. also noted that another study of over 100,000 children examined the potential connection between Hib vaccines and diabetes and found no association between the two.[9] Similarly, the Australian National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance examined Classen's studies and wrote that "Other researchers who have studied the issue have not verified Dr Classen’s findings."[10]
Before I found that, my first clue was that the study you cited was from 1999. Even if you were doing your own research, that would indicate that you are looking for studies that support your view and ignoring others and ignoring those who attempted to recreate the findings. But I'm almost certain that you found out about this study from mercola or some similar website. You then found the listing on a peer reviewed site to make it look better. Once again, what I call the scientific method, i.e. other scientists looking into the same question, you call "everyone is ignoring this". This has gone from bad to worse. You're starting to skip from one accusation to another, first it was allergies now it's diabetes, a classic sign that you can't defend any one position. What would it take to convince you that you might be wrong? If the answer is anything other than "evidence", then rethink your answer.
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Random mutations can cause ASD. The problem is random mutations also cause extra digits, extra limbs, missing digits, two heads etc. Do you see all those defects in children at the same rate as ASD? If random mutation due to radiation were the cause, you should. If you only see ASD, then it cannot be random mutations. That is the problem of trying to explain ASD using radiation.
Are you absolutely sure that is all we are seeing due to the radiation in the environment? Remember, there was a reason lead was taken out of gasoline, paint, as well as other sources, and they soon found that IQs increased due to the reduction of lead in our atmosphere. The question is, what else did the reduction do for us?
Egg allergy occurs in 2% of the population. So 98% of people who receive vaccines are not going get egg allergy. So your sons not having food allergies is not surprising but it does not prove that vaccines don't cause food allergies.
Then why is you blame vaccines for food allergies?
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Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine Causal relation is likely http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116914/
Here's why we call you an anti-vaxxer. This is from Wikipedia, but don't dismiss it based on that alone. Refute the facts if you can.
His work has been criticized by some, such as Amy Wallace, who wrote that the vaccine-diabetes link "...relies on the flawed work of one doctor [Classen], who gathered data on a slew of vaccines and failed to follow standard study protocols. No other study — including those using the same data — could reproduce the results."[7] Studies that have investigated the potential link between vaccines and diabetes include one, published by Frank DeStefano, which "did not find an increased risk of type 1 diabetes associated with any of the routinely recommended childhood vaccines."[8] DeStefano et al. also noted that another study of over 100,000 children examined the potential connection between Hib vaccines and diabetes and found no association between the two.[9] Similarly, the Australian National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance examined Classen's studies and wrote that "Other researchers who have studied the issue have not verified Dr Classen’s findings."[10]
Before I found that, my first clue was that the study you cited was from 1999. Even if you were doing your own research, that would indicate that you are looking for studies that support your view and ignoring others and ignoring those who attempted to recreate the findings. But I'm almost certain that you found out about this study from mercola or some similar website. You then found the listing on a peer reviewed site to make it look better. Once again, what I call the scientific method, i.e. other scientists looking into the same question, you call "everyone is ignoring this". This has gone from bad to worse. You're starting to skip from one accusation to another, first it was allergies now it's diabetes, a classic sign that you can't defend any one position. What would it take to convince you that you might be wrong? If the answer is anything other than "evidence", then rethink your answer. In a previous post, I provided this reference. You will see a reference to Classen's paper. So that's where I found it. http://blog.blsvh.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Vaccine-induced-autoimmunity.pdf As I posted before, only one out of three manufacturers used pancreatic digest in their HiB vaccine. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf So it is perfectly possible that the HiB vaccines used in their populations were different. It is a case of ALL of the studies not paying enough attention to detail. They were focused on the HiB viral protein as the cause. When in fact, the cause may have been some other ingredient in the vaccine - pancreatic digest. Accounting for this fact, the conflicting finding is exactly as expected. " ... first it was allergies now it's diabetes ..." Please understand that it is exactly the same mechanism we are discussing: Inject influenza viral proteins, the immune system creates anti-influenza antibodies (IgE). On subsequent exposure to the influenza virus, the antibodies attack the virus (viral protein) and you are protected from infection. Intended action of vaccine. Inject food proteins, the immune system creates antibodies against those foods. On subsequent exposure to those foods, the antibodies attack the food proteins resulting in food allergy symptoms/anaphylaxis. Inject pancreatic digest, the immune system creates antibodies to those pancreatic proteins. The antibodies start attacking your own pancreas resulting in the autoimmune disorder - Type I diabetes. Inject human lung fibroblast, or embryonic lung cultures, the immune system creates antibodies to those lung proteins. The antibodies start attacking your own lungs resulting in the autoimmune disorder - asthma. Inject tropomyosin, the immune system creates antibodies to tropomyosin. The antibodies start attacking your own organs that contain tropomyosin resulting in autoimmune disorders such as ulcerative colitis, irritable bowel syndrome, autism? etc. Inject alpha-gal (tick bite), the immune system creates antibodies to alpha-gal (red meat allergy). On subsequent exposure to red meat, the antibodies attack the food protein resulting in food allergy symptoms/anaphylaxis. Pancreatic digest is present in vaccines DT, Td, Dtap, meningococcal and Hib vaccines of ONLY SOME manufacturers. Lung tissue is found in MMR II, MMRV, Varicella vaccines. I did not include asthma/diabetes in my original post because the flu vaccine does not contain pancreatic/lung tissue as far as I know. Anyway, the point is that this Charles Richet allergy model hypothesis explains a wide range of observed phenomena. The reason for pointing all that out is to show that it is a compelling hypothesis that we ignore at our peril. As I wrote before, the competing hypotheses cannot explain nearly as much and are still using words such as enigmatic and idiopathic. If anyone can post a better competing hypothesis to explain these observed phenomena, I am all ears.
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Random mutations can cause ASD. The problem is random mutations also cause extra digits, extra limbs, missing digits, two heads etc. Do you see all those defects in children at the same rate as ASD? If random mutation due to radiation were the cause, you should. If you only see ASD, then it cannot be random mutations. That is the problem of trying to explain ASD using radiation.
Are you absolutely sure that is all we are seeing due to the radiation in the environment? Remember, there was a reason lead was taken out of gasoline, paint, as well as other sources, and they soon found that IQs increased due to the reduction of lead in our atmosphere. The question is, what else did the reduction do for us?
Egg allergy occurs in 2% of the population. So 98% of people who receive vaccines are not going get egg allergy. So your sons not having food allergies is not surprising but it does not prove that vaccines don't cause food allergies.
Then why is you blame vaccines for food allergies? "Are you absolutely sure that is all we are seeing due to the radiation in the environment? Remember, there was a reason lead was taken out of gasoline, paint, as well as other sources, and they soon found that IQs increased due to the reduction of lead in our atmosphere. The question is, what else did the reduction do for us?" Well we see all kinds of cancers. Some of which are probably due to radiation. You are asking what else did lead reduction do and is that related to ASD? Not clear on how these relate. "Then why is you blame vaccines for food allergies?" Because the 2% egg allergy is caused by vaccines in the Charles Richet allergy model hypothesis I have described. A typical flu shot contains 15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) protein per virus type and 0.5 mcg of ovalbumin protein. About 60% of US children who receive a flu shot get sensitized to the HA protein. The result is the immune system attacks HA proteins on subsequent exposure giving protection against the flu virus. One can expect 60/(15/0.5)=2% of those who receive the flu shot to get sensitized to the ovalbumin protein. The result is the immune system attacks the ovalbumin protein on subsequent exposure, giving egg allergy. Indeed the estimated prevalence of egg allergy in children in the US is ~2% of the population. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM371815.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/effectivenessqa-2013-14.htm http://www.foodallergy.org/document.doc?id=194
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If anyone can post a better competing hypothesis to explain these observed phenomena, I am all ears.
Okay, you’re a troll. You may be sincere in your beliefs, but you’re a troll. You’re the guy in the neighborhood that no one wants to invite to a party, but they like your wife, so you’re there. You don’t respond to what others say, you just argue without logic. You keep saying “I’m all ears", but you ignore the most important points, like Richet is from 100 years ago and Classen’s study has failed peer review. If you really were “all ears" you would read all of the information about Classen, not just the parts you agree with. Have you ever heard of the movie The Mothman Prophecy? Don’t watch it, it’s horrible. But I had a video version with extras. The movie is based on an urban legend of a creature that appeared and gave people cryptic predictions, and of course, they came true. Also of course, they were difficult to interpret, so when they came true it was people saying, “oh right, he meant the bridge would collapse, not that a tornado would hit". One of the extras on the video was an examination of actual people who had dreams and thought they were receiving prophecies. Some of them thought they could have prevented people dying if their prophecy had been correctly interpreted and people were warned. Once they convinced themselves of this truth, they had a tremendous amount of guilt. They now felt it was their life’s mission to understand their special powers and to tell everyone about them, so others could help interpret their visions. Anyone who doesn’t listen to them is just closed minded. Is any of this sounding familiar?
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Egg allergy occurs in 2% of the population. So 98% of people who receive vaccines are not going get egg allergy. So your sons not having food allergies is not surprising but it does not prove that vaccines don't cause food allergies.
Interesting you say that, but none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs like the influenza vaccine is, so there is no way that the vaccines I received as a child caused my egg allergy. On top of it all, I've never had a flu shot in my life due to my egg allergy, so this debunks your ignorant anti-vaccer theory. My mother didn't even have a flu shot when she was carrying me in '65, so your statements are nothing more than pure ignorance of vaccines.
Well we see all kinds of cancers. Some of which are probably due to radiation. You are asking what else did lead reduction do and is that related to ASD? Not clear on how these relate.
Because the 2% egg allergy is caused by vaccines in the Charles Richet allergy model hypothesis I have described.
Um no, not all egg allergies are caused by vaccines and I would dare say that this Charles Richet is an alarmist with his unsubstantiated model. Vaccines do not cause food allergies, not even egg allergies. My egg allergy was in no way caused by the vaccines I received as a child and, again, this Richet and his hypothesis is pure pseudo-science.
A typical flu shot contains 15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) protein per virus type and 0.5 mcg of ovalbumin protein. About 60% of US children who receive a flu shot get sensitized to the HA protein. The result is the immune system attacks HA proteins on subsequent exposure giving protection against the flu virus. One can expect 60/(15/0.5)=2% of those who receive the flu shot to get sensitized to the ovalbumin protein. The result is the immune system attacks the ovalbumin protein on subsequent exposure, giving egg allergy. Indeed the estimated prevalence of egg allergy in children in the US is ~2% of the population. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM371815.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/effectivenessqa-2013-14.htm http://www.foodallergy.org/document.doc?id=194
Again, I never had a flu shot in my life because of my egg allergy and none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs, so this hypothesis is, again, nothing more than non-factual pseudo-science. I still would like asanta and other nurses to weigh in on this lame subject. I'm sure they would more than agree with me and I'm the one with the life-long egg allergy.
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Egg allergy occurs in 2% of the population. So 98% of people who receive vaccines are not going get egg allergy. So your sons not having food allergies is not surprising but it does not prove that vaccines don't cause food allergies.
Interesting you say that, but none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs like the influenza vaccine is, so there is no way that the vaccines I received as a child caused my egg allergy. On top of it all, I've never had a flu shot in my life due to my egg allergy, so this debunks your ignorant anti-vaccer theory. My mother didn't even have a flu shot when she was carrying me in '65, so your statements are nothing more than pure ignorance of vaccines.
Well we see all kinds of cancers. Some of which are probably due to radiation. You are asking what else did lead reduction do and is that related to ASD? Not clear on how these relate.
Because the 2% egg allergy is caused by vaccines in the Charles Richet allergy model hypothesis I have described.
Um no, not all egg allergies are caused by vaccines and I would dare say that this Charles Richet is an alarmist with his unsubstantiated model. Vaccines do not cause food allergies, not even egg allergies. My egg allergy was in no way caused by the vaccines I received as a child and, again, this Richet and his hypothesis is pure pseudo-science.
A typical flu shot contains 15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) protein per virus type and 0.5 mcg of ovalbumin protein. About 60% of US children who receive a flu shot get sensitized to the HA protein. The result is the immune system attacks HA proteins on subsequent exposure giving protection against the flu virus. One can expect 60/(15/0.5)=2% of those who receive the flu shot to get sensitized to the ovalbumin protein. The result is the immune system attacks the ovalbumin protein on subsequent exposure, giving egg allergy. Indeed the estimated prevalence of egg allergy in children in the US is ~2% of the population. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM371815.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/effectivenessqa-2013-14.htm http://www.foodallergy.org/document.doc?id=194
Again, I never had a flu shot in my life because of my egg allergy and none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs, so this hypothesis is, again, nothing more than non-factual pseudo-science. I still would like asanta and other nurses to weigh in on this lame subject. I'm sure they would more than agree with me and I'm the one with the life-long egg allergy. There is a flu vaccine made without eggs. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777773
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There is a flu vaccine made without eggs. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777773
I think that is the one they are still working on and isn't available to everyone at this time. I can't tell because one needs to sign into Medscape to read about it.
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If anyone can post a better competing hypothesis to explain these observed phenomena, I am all ears.
Okay, you’re a troll. You may be sincere in your beliefs, but you’re a troll. You’re the guy in the neighborhood that no one wants to invite to a party, but they like your wife, so you’re there. You don’t respond to what others say, you just argue without logic. You keep saying “I’m all ears", but you ignore the most important points, like Richet is from 100 years ago and Classen’s study has failed peer review. If you really were “all ears" you would read all of the information about Classen, not just the parts you agree with. Have you ever heard of the movie The Mothman Prophecy? Don’t watch it, it’s horrible. But I had a video version with extras. The movie is based on an urban legend of a creature that appeared and gave people cryptic predictions, and of course, they came true. Also of course, they were difficult to interpret, so when they came true it was people saying, “oh right, he meant the bridge would collapse, not that a tornado would hit". One of the extras on the video was an examination of actual people who had dreams and thought they were receiving prophecies. Some of them thought they could have prevented people dying if their prophecy had been correctly interpreted and people were warned. Once they convinced themselves of this truth, they had a tremendous amount of guilt. They now felt it was their life’s mission to understand their special powers and to tell everyone about them, so others could help interpret their visions. Anyone who doesn’t listen to them is just closed minded. Is any of this sounding familiar? "If anyone can post a better competing hypothesis to explain these observed phenomena, I am all ears." That is exactly what I meant. I hear a lot from you but I still have not seen a better competing hypothesis to explain these observed phenomena. Vaccines, electricity, automobiles, flight must all be irrelevant to you because they are all from a 100 years ago? As I have pointed out several times, the fact that vaccines work is THE PROOF that Richet's findings are not only still relevant but fundamentally important. In case you did not know, he coined the term anaphylaxis. Anyone who finds vaccines may cause undesirable effects must be a fraud correct? Here's one more: Vaccinations may induce diabetes-related autoantibodies in one-year-old children. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14679101 http://blog.blsvh.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Vaccine-induced-autoimmunity.pdf says: "Diabetes mellitus The fact that the incidence of type I diabetes is increasing rapidly in children in many countries around the world has raised the question about the role of vaccination as an important candidate contributing to this phenomenon. There are conflicting data concerning this issue. One group suggested that the timing of vaccination is important in the development of type I diabetes and that Hemophilus influenzae type B vaccine can increase the risk for the development of diabetes if given at age 2 months or older [19]. On the other hand, a 10 year follow-up of more than 100,000 Finnish children who participated in a trial of HiB vaccination did not find an increased risk for the development of type I diabetes [26]. Nevertheless, a recently published study in a non-selected cohort of 4,400 babies in southeast Sweden disclosed that HiB vaccination stimulates the immune system. This non-specific stimulation may have a polyclonal effect and thereby increase the production of glutamic acid decarboxylase antibodies and tyrosine phosphatase antibodies, thus increasing the risk of developing type I diabetes in this population [27]. Therefore, the authors postulate that HiB vaccination might be of importance under special circumstances when pancreatic b cell-related immune response is activated by other mechanisms. On the other hand, a recently published study following a cohort of Danish children did not reveal an increased risk of type 1 diabetes among children vaccinated with at least one dose of vaccine as compared with unvaccinated children [28]." I provided the Richet allergy model as the mechanism the author's are postulating.
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Egg allergy occurs in 2% of the population. So 98% of people who receive vaccines are not going get egg allergy. So your sons not having food allergies is not surprising but it does not prove that vaccines don't cause food allergies.
Interesting you say that, but none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs like the influenza vaccine is, so there is no way that the vaccines I received as a child caused my egg allergy. On top of it all, I've never had a flu shot in my life due to my egg allergy, so this debunks your ignorant anti-vaccer theory. My mother didn't even have a flu shot when she was carrying me in '65, so your statements are nothing more than pure ignorance of vaccines.
Well we see all kinds of cancers. Some of which are probably due to radiation. You are asking what else did lead reduction do and is that related to ASD? Not clear on how these relate.
Because the 2% egg allergy is caused by vaccines in the Charles Richet allergy model hypothesis I have described.
Um no, not all egg allergies are caused by vaccines and I would dare say that this Charles Richet is an alarmist with his unsubstantiated model. Vaccines do not cause food allergies, not even egg allergies. My egg allergy was in no way caused by the vaccines I received as a child and, again, this Richet and his hypothesis is pure pseudo-science.
A typical flu shot contains 15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) protein per virus type and 0.5 mcg of ovalbumin protein. About 60% of US children who receive a flu shot get sensitized to the HA protein. The result is the immune system attacks HA proteins on subsequent exposure giving protection against the flu virus. One can expect 60/(15/0.5)=2% of those who receive the flu shot to get sensitized to the ovalbumin protein. The result is the immune system attacks the ovalbumin protein on subsequent exposure, giving egg allergy. Indeed the estimated prevalence of egg allergy in children in the US is ~2% of the population. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM371815.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/effectivenessqa-2013-14.htm http://www.foodallergy.org/document.doc?id=194
Again, I never had a flu shot in my life because of my egg allergy and none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs, so this hypothesis is, again, nothing more than non-factual pseudo-science. I still would like asanta and other nurses to weigh in on this lame subject. I'm sure they would more than agree with me and I'm the one with the life-long egg allergy. There is a flu vaccine made without eggs. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777773 If you read my original post, I covered both Flucelvax and Flublok. https://mttmblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/flusum2014.pdf Source: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm094045.htm
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There is a flu vaccine made without eggs. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777773
I think that is the one they are still working on and isn't available to everyone at this time. I can't tell because one needs to sign into Medscape to read about it. Flublok and Flucelvax are available now and you can read all about it here without signing in: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm094045.htm Please read my original post about the contents of Flublok and Flucelvax, it's Halloween material. They replaced egg with insect proteins and dog kidney cell protein. The future of allergy is going to be interesting.
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Egg allergy occurs in 2% of the population. So 98% of people who receive vaccines are not going get egg allergy. So your sons not having food allergies is not surprising but it does not prove that vaccines don't cause food allergies.
Interesting you say that, but none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs like the influenza vaccine is, so there is no way that the vaccines I received as a child caused my egg allergy. On top of it all, I've never had a flu shot in my life due to my egg allergy, so this debunks your ignorant anti-vaccer theory. My mother didn't even have a flu shot when she was carrying me in '65, so your statements are nothing more than pure ignorance of vaccines.
Well we see all kinds of cancers. Some of which are probably due to radiation. You are asking what else did lead reduction do and is that related to ASD? Not clear on how these relate.
Because the 2% egg allergy is caused by vaccines in the Charles Richet allergy model hypothesis I have described.
Um no, not all egg allergies are caused by vaccines and I would dare say that this Charles Richet is an alarmist with his unsubstantiated model. Vaccines do not cause food allergies, not even egg allergies. My egg allergy was in no way caused by the vaccines I received as a child and, again, this Richet and his hypothesis is pure pseudo-science.
A typical flu shot contains 15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) protein per virus type and 0.5 mcg of ovalbumin protein. About 60% of US children who receive a flu shot get sensitized to the HA protein. The result is the immune system attacks HA proteins on subsequent exposure giving protection against the flu virus. One can expect 60/(15/0.5)=2% of those who receive the flu shot to get sensitized to the ovalbumin protein. The result is the immune system attacks the ovalbumin protein on subsequent exposure, giving egg allergy. Indeed the estimated prevalence of egg allergy in children in the US is ~2% of the population. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM371815.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/effectivenessqa-2013-14.htm http://www.foodallergy.org/document.doc?id=194
Again, I never had a flu shot in my life because of my egg allergy and none of the vaccines I received were created in eggs, so this hypothesis is, again, nothing more than non-factual pseudo-science. I still would like asanta and other nurses to weigh in on this lame subject. I'm sure they would more than agree with me and I'm the one with the life-long egg allergy. Please understand that if vaccines can cause egg allergy, it does not mean there is no other way to get egg allergy. It is just one cause. If you don't know about Richet, it is best not to talk about him. "Vaccines do not cause food allergies, not even egg allergies." You have not provided any references.