Celebrating individual life

We have a new thread, “Purpose of Human Existence” and everything I could think of sharing would be objected to by some, so I’ll do the flip side.

Life is about living and nurturing one’s own life and hopefully that of a few others along the way.

It begins with being brutally honest with oneself. Facing one’s flaws and dealing with oneself head on, yada, yada, yada.
I look at people today and wonder where are they running to, what do they think they are accomplishing with their outlandish spending, waste and impossible dreams and expectations?

I wonder, how well is your relationship with your family and other people?

Today I’ve had call to recall my two first hero’s and their values, and this quote is just scratching the surface of their story.

Then there was the ‘other’ world on the East side of Lake Michigan, our Aunt and Uncle’s vacation home on top of a sand dune at Beverly Shores, Indiana, now the Indiana Dunes State Park. Could say it was a destination location for their extended family, so it was often crowded.

The nights, as well as the days were an adventure. While adults entertained downstairs we kids would get packed into the attic, barracks style, and bedtime started with stories that drifted off to be replaced by insect and critter sounds that spooked and excited and fed our imaginations better than TV.

The house, was the most amazing beautiful weird place, and at this point in my life it simply overwhelmed, beside the complex house, a mosquito proof gazebo, small concrete pool, small garden paths, a wishing well, on the back hillside a swing that must have hung from a hundred feet up in a tree.

Also among my earliest memories was Uncle Julius sincerely explaining to me that at night the lake was drained for cleaning. I didn’t buy it. But, he made it sound sooo believable. Yet it didn’t make any sense. Yet, he was Uncle Julius, he knew everything. He was the coolest. He wouldn’t lie to me. Or would he? It had my little head in a turmoil, especially since my brother and Dad went along with him. Eventually, I arrived at the conclusion, big people lied because I could never figure out how in the world they’d be able to refill it every morning.

When the mornings came around again our master of ceremonies Uncle Julius would rally us with plans for the day, as Aunt Elsie kept order and fed us. Then he lead the race down to the shoreline.

Besides the sand and the waves, he had discovered some clay deposits and loved making sculptures with it. He usually had a supply of the natural modeling clay ready to use and loved teaching us young kids how to do make faces and whatever we wanted.

Aunt Elsie was the matriarch of the house and boss, and besides cooking, she engaged in a relentless, though losing, battle to keep sand out of the house. She’d meet us on the deck, to make sure everyone followed the foot washing routine before entering.

We tried, but it never worked. So everyday, when we were playing by the lake, she returned to her Sisyphean task of sweeping up dust pans full of sand, to toss back out onto the dunes. Only to see her crowd returning from the beach, with stuck on sand up to our knees and in every fold of clothing.

We felt for her and she was genuinely loved by all of us for her indomitable spirit and putting up with our circus.

The juxtaposition between Carol Stream and Beverly Shores impressed me as far back as I could remember. While I loved visiting both, Beverly Shores was always a thrill and felt magical, while Carol Stream was more like comfort food.

But the possibility for those kinds of lives has been destroyed by the fool’s god of PROGRESS run amok. And the final nails in the coffin are humanity’s population explosion - and unrepentant boundless hubris.

So now, I suggest the big deal is getting right with oneself.

Looking back from 69 it’s a meditation for me to appreciate, we were there, it is a part of me. Sure it wasn’t always that good, still, it was filled with more than enough good and wonderful moments to make me and my sibs forever grateful for what we had and experienced - even if it didn’t always feel that way going through it.

What made all the difference was that we were secure in our parents’ love, and through all the foibles and dramas of life to come, that thread remained solid throughout. I never take for granted, what a leg up that gave me, and all my siblings, in the unforgiving game of life to come.

Before I leave my pre kindergarten years, there was that one particular day, that moment that sparked my first epiphany. With the sun streaming through the front windows onto the rug I was playing on. Mom was bustling around, and the sunshine transmuted floating dust motes into sparking stars and universes. At one point I can still picture my Mom walking past me, then watching this beautiful vortex of sparkling points swirling in her wake.

Out of the blue I remember asking: “Who is God?”

I like to think it took her a couple beats before answering: “A speck of dust that wanted to be more.”

I must have been primed, because it blew me away and rippled throughout my young being and never left. I repeated the thought like a mantra and I felt it was special. It was fascinating. I came to understand that it did better than answer my question, it left me with a riddle and an abiding challenge that turned my life into an adventure to experience.

Metaphorically speaking, heck, even physically speaking; the arrow of time working on matter, always “wanting” to be more. Earth’s biological evolution, always striving to be more. Humanity’s drive toward self destruction, driven by always wanting more.

For me, instead of an answer, it was a riddle and a challenge worth rolling around in my thoughts. It imprinting itself into how I grew up looking at my self and the world around me. I had no God to obsess over, one way or the other - my parents made it a non-issue, and Mom’s wisdom helped me stumble onto a path of discovering a more objective, Earth-centered appreciation for humanity’s eternal questions and resolving our fears.

I belabor the point because the framing and challenge inherent in that soundbite: “A speck of dust that wanted to be more,” took up the mental/spiritual centerstage in my young imagination. I believe it is at the foundation of my homespun cosmological and humanistic outlook. God’s shackles were never attached and I was free to learn about this miracle planet Earth that created us.

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There’s the paradox of the survival instinct. When does the power of surviving put pressure on the environment making survival more difficult? Can that power be checked, paradoxically in the name surviving?

As a rule man is a fool
When it’s hot he wants it cool
When it’s cool he wants it hot
Always wanting what is not.
(Nat Cole, “Wild is Love”)

First let’s be clear, none of this is about “surviving” - this is about thoughtlessly feeding gluttony. It’s about human self-absorption and self-serving disregard for others (humans and creatures and landscapes) - refusal to face existential problems we ourselves create. Or accept any responsibility for the damage we do.

All depends is it an idea to play with, or does it have real world applications.

Perhaps some solutions are to be found in co-operation, and desire to nurture and thrive, rather than lust for power and control.

He’s not talking survival either :face_blowing_a_kiss:

Back when they knew how to swing. :woman_dancing:

Yeah babe, let’s celebrate attraction and flirtation and love.

Well, yes, and that’s where we move from a species that subsists in small tribes until some environmental disaster or a stronger tribe puts an end to it, and into a species that can build coalitions and work together in groups bigger than a few hundred.

But those survival instincts don’t just go away. They are down there in the brain stem and make parents do things like put their kids on the last lifeboat as the ship sinks. The paradox is; that drive to sacrifice comes from the same place as the fear response that drives us to kill someone in our species or destroy our environment out of a belief that it will result in a better future.

No arguing any of that.

And, not dealing with that is what’s going to destroy us.

So my feeling is that the most important thing these days is to know thy self.
I find peace in the pageant of our evolution, and my own life, and the people in it - and in resolving those deeper questions.

I think that the honeybee is a divine expression of nature’s cooperative potential.
75% of life on earth is nourished by the symbiotic “love” relationship that exist between 2 entirely different species, that combined have managed to create the most beautiful art that can be found anywhere in the Universe.

Well it’s like I mentioned in that other thread, what if that’s just storytelling, I mean what if the meaning that we make for life isn’t reality but delusion?

"If you understand that “what is irony” is a construction, as is everything which flows out of it, constructions of meaning; and that, the real “you” lies somewhere outside of that cave of shadows, in the feelings, sensations and drives of the body; while you will never escape pleasure and pain, you might escape attachment and suffering.

I don’t like using up space with long unsolicited explanations, and the statement just made requires long explanations, so I guess I’m unclear. On the upside, I hope my unclear statements might trigger pursuit by others into tunnels they may not have considered, and I learn a lot about tunnels from their responses."

Guess that’s the difference between success and fumbling, or sanity and insanity.

In the end we live in a physical biological reality, we can’t make the rules, your body knows about a lot of stuff you haven’t a clue about, so trust it when in doubt, etc., etc,

Oh and of course it’s all stories - that’s all we have to understand anything with - like what are you expecting, a celestial chorus when you “get it right”.

All this handwringing, doubt upon doubt, that’s the way you do the thing you do.

It really isn’t any deeper than that unless you like digging.

I take the pragmatic path, dealing with what’s in front of me and getting through it one day at a time approach. Handling today well is the best way to tomorrow working out okay.
Not a guarantee, some days are a diamond, and some days are a rock. When they are a rock, . . . . well, how we handle those determines the next days. … So it still matters.

Again that’s the pragmatic view.
Head games are a dime a dozen, and there’s always another one waiting when you get bored with the one.

What will you be present to?

If it’s all stories then isn’t that just effectively living a lie then?

It’s not ALL stories.

But stories is all we human have to make sense of things.

Then perhaps it gets back to Ego - how good do you think your imagination is? Do you really think your mind is great enough to imagine all this, that we behold - good and bad, out of whole cloth? I don’t.

It makes more sense for me to appreciate it is real, and the struggle is in my trying to understand and that brings us back to our stories being the tools we have at hand for comprehending the reality we find ourselves in.

Very succinct summary of year and a half of responses to inthedarkness. He said he was going to take a break, then he comes back with the same question he started with. It’s essentially word games; stories are a lie. You clear that up in a few sentences.

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But then that makes it fiction though, concepts that we impose on reality. It’s like what the links I was posting said.

We do make it up out of whole cloth though, the distinctions, the judgments, all of it are just stories we tell, a sort of fantasy we live in our heads that only matters to us. But we aren’t the center of the universe and there is nothing to suggest our stories mean anything.

I mean we think our stories reflect reality but they merely represent it and they are always being edited.

It’s easy to say that, but I cannot deny there might be some truth to what I read and it does match with what I believed as a kid in a way. That we created this whole world and pretend like all this stuff is reality and matters.

Like in that quote, it’s constructed meaning and not who we are.

Oh Jesus, give it a break. Read the title on this thread, this is about Celebrating individual life.
And I’m a pragmatic person, you are busy killing yourself, have at it, if you can’t figure out anything better to do with your life. I mourn your childhood, but we are what we are.

I want to spend my last time as a free person in a free country being present to the good things I experienced and achieved and learned along the way.

Like besides writing this and all the memories that’s reawakening - I’ve got a plane reservation to visit my daughter’s, daughter, and actually babysit her a couple days - there’s nothing fictional about living that experience.
Even if I can only convey the experience in stories.
And if we are constantly changing . . .

What a splendid journey it’s been. Ch#1, Escape.

What a splendid journey it’s been. Ch#2, Early Years.

After 18 months, I don’t think that’s going to happen.

The value I got out of this very odd engagement with something that might not even be a real person is; a clearer distinction in my own mind about what is solid, physical, demonstrable, some call that “real”, and what is a construct, what inthed would call a story.

It’s not like this is all woo-woo. In economics, a corporation is a “legal fiction”, but obviously, they exist. More relevant to things I do, when I’m talking to kids who are considering a life a crime, morality and justice are things that only exist because we choose to speak them into existence. It gets much more interesting when you start examining how a branch of the ape family came to do that, but we’ve been over that. Just pointing it out.

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True enough, still, this is my thread and I reserve the right to guide it back to the topic at hand.

:waving_hand:

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Except it’s hard to deny that the things we value and having meaning are imposed on the world.

" Like the Hindu term maya, the basic idea captured in this distinction is that meaning and organisation are projected onto the world. Pleroma refers to the non-living world that is undifferentiated by subjectivity; Creatura for the living world, subject to perceptual difference, distinction, and information."

But the issue then arises that you are nothing without all these other stuff to give context and from which you build on. Like without society as it exists today you wouldn’t be concerned over all this stuff or think about it all. Even when it comes to senses our minds depend on that, like with color vision and how if you go blind you lose memory of color.

Everything we think we are isn’t who we are because we aren’t born with it.

Imposed by the world?
What does that mean?
Why is it a problem for you?
How would you prefer it to be?

Have you ever looked at my avatar?
“Folds within folds of cumulative harmonic complexity”
So what of it?
What else would you expect our existence to be about?

You are reaching for new heights of silliness.

Again what is it you expect of life - which is dependent upon change to exist.

Your fascination with some ideal stasis, will get you no where.

Life isn’t about philosophizing.
Life is about living.

Our philosophizing is supposed help us understand our lives, not to paint us into impossible corners.

Of course, some sad souls prefer being all wrapped in a safe little corner where nothing can touch them.

To each their own. I prefer living, even if it does dish out a lot of pain, there’s a lot of good and love to be found in the process too.

And, you know, then I die, and it is good.

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