...Trump, if elected will either "Make America Great Again" or he'll be schim-schacked right out of relevancy in less than a term...Pardon my skepticism that if elected, Trump will "Make America Great Again". I mean, I know he says "Believe me." a lot, but somehow that just doesn't convince me. Also, pardon my skepticism that if he is elected, and does not, promptly "Make America Great Again" that he will be schim-schacked away before his first term is over. (First off, I don't know what schim-shacking is exactly, but it sounds good. Any chance we could use this schim-shacking, that you speak of, to pre-emptively end his relevancy?)
Pardon my skepticism that if elected, Trump will "Make America Great Again". I mean, I know he says "Believe me." a lot, but somehow that just doesn't convince me.Oh yeah. That's healthy skepticism. I don't blame you.
Also, pardon my skepticism that if he is elected, and does not, promptly "Make America Great Again" that he will be schim-schacked away before his first term is over.That means "jump the shark". As in, no Authoritarianism is going to take hold propelling Trump(and his bully pulpit) further despite bad poll numbers. You're buying into the Authoritarianism thing too, I read in another thread.
I agree with Vyazma that authoritarianism is not the defining characteristic of Trump supporters, the defining characteristic is fear. Trump plays to their fears with his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic statements.
I agree with Vyazma that authoritarianism is not the defining characteristic of Trump supporters, the defining characteristic is fear. Trump plays to their fears with his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic statements.Some of it's fear. All kinds of fears no doubt. Some are justified in my opinion. Fear is not necessarily a bad germ. It can be twisted so...and Trump is definitely doing that. But some of the fear is justified in my opinion. Call it fear, or in these cases concerns. Globalism is taking a big hit everywhere lately. I'm glad frankly. But that's my view. I don't expect anyone to agree with it. There's enough who agree with it so that I feel just fine. This deals with trade, and immigration policy.
I agree with Vyazma that authoritarianism is not the defining characteristic of Trump supporters, the defining characteristic is fear. Trump plays to their fears with his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic statements.Okay makes sense. Although thinking about it . . . Is it coincident that it's those types of people who are attracted to Big Brother holding their hands and protecting them for their demons?
Pardon my skepticism that if elected, Trump will "Make America Great Again". I mean, I know he says "Believe me." a lot, but somehow that just doesn't convince me.Oh yeah. That's healthy skepticism. I don't blame you.
Also, pardon my skepticism that if he is elected, and does not, promptly "Make America Great Again" that he will be schim-schacked away before his first term is over.That means "jump the shark". As in, no Authoritarianism is going to take hold propelling Trump(and his bully pulpit) further despite bad poll numbers. You're buying into the Authoritarianism thing too, I read in another thread. I only buy into "Authoritarianism" as a part of Trump's appeal, to the extent that it may relate to people's instinctual urge to find comfort in following an alpha male who may protect them from the evil thunder. I think that a bigger appeal that Trump is sailing in on, is his "Disestablishmentarianism" if we must use big words. (Bernie has that appeal as well.) As far as hoping for Trump to "jump the shark", it seems to me that he routinely says things that would end the happy days, of most politicians, but, in Trump's case, the crowd goes wild, ever ready for the next in a never ending series of sharks to be jumped.
As far as hoping for Trump to "jump the shark", it seems to me that he routinely says things that would end the happy days, of most politicians, but, in Trump's case, the crowd goes wild, ever ready for the next in a never ending series of sharks to be jumped.Yeah we're Americans. That's what we like. We've sunk into this facade of decorum and political correctness that has gotten farcical. Only so much of it is going to be accepted by most people, most of the time. It was an easy membrane for Trump to poke through. Not that anybody could pull that off....remember, he had a TV show.
I really don't understand how someone like Trump who's such an obvious tyrant in the making and a charlatan to boot can be leading the GOP race. But this helps explain it and maybe why so many people doubt things like evolution and climate change if they're being backed by the existing power structure.If you don't understand how this is happening you shouldn't really be offering up other opinions about this matter. Because why it is happening is very obvious. Reading into this whole Authoritarian spiel is cute and all, but there's no basis for it. It's extremely difficult for Authoritarianism to get a hold in the USA. Very difficult. Trump, if elected will either "Make America Great Again" or he'll be schim-schacked right out of relevancy in less than a term. You people live in a bubble. You act like were headed for the 4th Reich or something. Get a grip, alot of your lumpen neighbors are out and about politicking. It's not the Apocalypse. Wow, you nailed me after one post, what an amazing ability. And when you consider where Hitler derived much of his early power from and what he really represented, there's more than a little cause for concern here. Do a little research into the Bushes and Hitler or Ford, IBM or many other western industrialists for a start.
Wow, you nailed me after one post, what an amazing ability. And when you consider where Hitler derived much of his early power from and what he really represented, there's more than a little cause for concern here. Do a little research into the Bushes and Hitler or Ford, IBM or many other western industrialists for a start.That's just not true DougC. I don't just troll posts to gratuitously argue with people. So, I'm not out to "nail you". The second part of your post here is just fluff. It's hackneyed regurgitation of a wide assortment of common, uh...bogeymen? Uh...historical figures and entities with colorful histories who made an impact on all of our lives. Trump doesn't even come close to any of those entities by a long shot. He's a mid-level property developer in the grand scheme of things. Totally commercial stuff. He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus. I'm also gonna have to call Godwin's Law on this too...just for good measure. That old rap song Don't Believe the Hype goes both ways. You should check your intake of colorful news sources.
Trump doesn't even come close to any of those entities by a long shot. He's a mid-level property developer in the grand scheme of things. Totally commercial stuff. He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus.Unless, of course, he became Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military in the world.
Trump doesn't even come close to any of those entities by a long shot. He's a mid-level property developer in the grand scheme of things. Totally commercial stuff. He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus.Unless, of course, he became Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military in the world. Yeah but I have a strong feeling Trump is not a militarist. Despite what he says on his stump speeches(which are practically a GOP necessity) He has heavily criticized the Iraq war. If anything I'll bet he tends non-interventionist. But that's just a hunch. He definitely is aware of the massive waste of money spent on war. If you watched one of those first debates he was more in line with Rand Paul on those matters.
Wow, you nailed me after one post, what an amazing ability. And when you consider where Hitler derived much of his early power from and what he really represented, there's more than a little cause for concern here. Do a little research into the Bushes and Hitler or Ford, IBM or many other western industrialists for a start.That's just not true DougC. I don't just troll posts to gratuitously argue with people. So, I'm not out to "nail you". The second part of your post here is just fluff. It's hackneyed regurgitation of a wide assortment of common, uh...bogeymen? Uh...historical figures and entities with colorful histories who made an impact on all of our lives. Trump doesn't even come close to any of those entities by a long shot. He's a mid-level property developer in the grand scheme of things. Totally commercial stuff. He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus. I'm also gonna have to call Godwin's Law on this too...just for good measure. That old rap song Don't Believe the Hype goes both ways. You should check your intake of colorful news sources. You're the one who evoked Hitler's 3rd Reich indirectly by saying Trump wouldn't create a 4th, not me. And my point about Hitler is he wasn't some grassroots prophet rising up on his abilities alone to save the German people, he was almost entirely created by big money from around the world including the Harrimans, Bushs and other financial giants, industrialists and prominent corporations from the West. Hitler would have never rose anywhere near to power without the backing of Fritz Thyssen his New York backers and many others. The holocaust wouldn't have happened without the information technology provided by IBM and German tanks rolled out of factories supplied by Ford. Trump is the same kind of demagogue that Hitler was playing to people's fears, biases and base instincts, and he does it well. It's an emotional approach to politics that rapidly desensitizes the target audience which requires constant ramping up of the rhetoric and following actions. In Hitler's case it started with a growing marginalization of the groups he despised and ended with the Holocaust. America already has deep divisions along racial, economic, political, regional and religious lines, this is what Trump is exploiting and it's inherently dangerous and in the end destructive. He's simply not going to make America great again by ripping it apart. Unlike Hitler Trump doesn't need outside backing, that doesn't make him any less of a destructive force.
He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus.America already is largely dominated by the intelligence and military/industrial complex, I seriously doubt that Trump is going to challenge it in any effective form. What's more likely is in the terrible reality of him entering the Oval Office he's almost certainly going to use what's available to enact his agenda. Which as I've already pointed out is based on what he hates and how he evokes the same response in people supporting him. Trump is dangerous and gives many indications of being mentally unstable as with his batshit crazy assertion that Obama wasn't even born in America and suing people like comedian Bill Maher for comparing him to an orangutan. http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-obama-birth-certificate-meet-the-press http://www.lawlawlandblog.com/2013/04/bill-maher-prevails-over-donald-trump-lawsuit-by-sitting-and-waiting-for-the-donald-to-figure-out-to-drop-it-himself.html
Trump doesn't even come close to any of those entities by a long shot. He's a mid-level property developer in the grand scheme of things. Totally commercial stuff. He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus.Unless, of course, he became Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military in the world. Yeah but I have a strong feeling Trump is not a militarist. Despite what he says on his stump speeches(which are practically a GOP necessity) He has heavily criticized the Iraq war. If anything I'll bet he tends non-interventionist. But that's just a hunch. He definitely is aware of the massive waste of money spent on war. If you watched one of those first debates he was more in line with Rand Paul on those matters. I suspect that he is a bluffer. He says he will make our military so strong that no-one will want to mess with us. (IOW, he is hoping that appearing strong will make everyone else back down, thus no actual military intervention.) Bluffing works great... until it doesn't.
As far as hoping for Trump to "jump the shark", it seems to me that he routinely says things that would end the happy days, of most politicians, but, in Trump's case, the crowd goes wild, ever ready for the next in a never ending series of sharks to be jumped.Yeah we're Americans. That's what we like. We've sunk into this facade of decorum and political correctness that has gotten farcical. Only so much of it is going to be accepted by most people, most of the time. It was an easy membrane for Trump to poke through. Not that anybody could pull that off....remember, he had a TV show. Still, who can say what he would pull off with the full power and force of the Presidency? You suggested that if he doesn't fulfill his promise to "Make America Great Again" (whatever that is), he will become suddenly irrelevant, somehow, and thus there is no reason for great concern. Perhaps not. Perhaps so. I tend to be a bit of a gambler, so if I had to choose between Trump and his Republican opponents, I would choose Trump (since he is not really a Republican), but not without some sense of trepidation.
Still, who can say what he would pull off with the full power and force of the Presidency? You suggested that if he doesn't fulfill his promise to "Make America Great Again" (whatever that is), he will become suddenly irrelevant, somehow, and thus there is no reason for great concern. Perhaps not. Perhaps so. I tend to be a bit of a gambler, so if I had to choose between Trump and his Republican opponents, I would choose Trump (since he is not really a Republican), but not without some sense of trepidation.No, I think that's the thing. I believe he is seriously concerned with domestic issues. Granted, I know most people on this forum are not interested in some of the Domestic Issues he raises, but there's more to it than that. There's way too much emphasis being mis-directed at his bombast and surliness. Whether he has what it takes to set the US on an improving course is debatable. But I'm pretty sure he knows what it takes to be a responsible executive. Obviously the guy doesn't like to lose. That's a very good trait. Again I know that alot of the domestic issues he raises aren't popular on this Forum,,,but oh well. It is what it is. These are very real concerns for many Americans. Myself included. I wouldn't try to promote Trump to anybody for numerous reasons. Except in one context. I would most definitely take Trump over Hillary Clinton. For me she symbolizes everything that's wrong with the Democrats. She has done nothing but get her Ticket Punched all the way up the line. That's it.
No, I think that's the thing. I believe he is seriously concerned with domestic issues.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That's a good one. I think the only thing he's serious about is his own self-aggrandizement. Oh do tell about his insightful domestic policy thoughts.
No, I think that's the thing. I believe he is seriously concerned with domestic issues.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That's a good one. I think the only thing he's serious about is his own self-aggrandizement. Oh do tell about his insightful domestic policy thoughts. I said it's debatable that his domestic policy would be good CC. I only said I think that's his primary concern. I raised that point in contrast to some who said he might be a Tyrannical Militarist...that's all. But you're probably right. He's probably only interested in his own self-aggrandizement.
Another factor in being a Trump supporter (which does not apply to Vyasma, as he is in the minority of Trump supporters in this regard, I am sure), is that 64% believe that our President is a Muslim and 60% believe that our President was not born in the USA.
To “honestly” believe that, must be infuriating, and thus highly motivating in deciding on a champion such as Donald. To have such distorted beliefs, seems to me to be a kind of sickness.
No, I think that's the thing. I believe he is seriously concerned with domestic issues.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That's a good one. I think the only thing he's serious about is his own self-aggrandizement. Oh do tell about his insightful domestic policy thoughts. I said it's debatable that his domestic policy would be good CC. I only said I think that's his primary concern. I raised that point in contrast to some who said he might be a Tyrannical Militarist...that's all. But you're probably right. He's probably only interested in his own self-aggrandizement. it's fun when we agree :cheese:
Another factor in being a Trump supporter (which does not apply to Vyasma, as he is in the minority of Trump supporters in this regard, I am sure), is that 64% believe that our President is a Muslim and 60% believe that our President was not born in the USA. To "honestly" believe that, must be infuriating, and thus highly motivating in deciding on a champion such as Donald. To have such distorted beliefs, seems to me to be a kind of sickness.They also believe manmade Global Warming is a hoax, and that we must keep making more wars to fix the problems wars created, on top of that all their problems are someone else's fault...