it's fun when we agree :cheese:Yaaay!! :lol:
Wow, you nailed me after one post, what an amazing ability. And when you consider where Hitler derived much of his early power from and what he really represented, there's more than a little cause for concern here. Do a little research into the Bushes and Hitler or Ford, IBM or many other western industrialists for a start.That's just not true DougC. I don't just troll posts to gratuitously argue with people. So, I'm not out to "nail you". The second part of your post here is just fluff. It's hackneyed regurgitation of a wide assortment of common, uh...bogeymen? Uh...historical figures and entities with colorful histories who made an impact on all of our lives. Trump doesn't even come close to any of those entities by a long shot. He's a mid-level property developer in the grand scheme of things. Totally commercial stuff. He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus. I'm also gonna have to call Godwin's Law on this too...just for good measure. That old rap song Don't Believe the Hype goes both ways. You should check your intake of colorful news sources. You're the one who evoked Hitler's 3rd Reich indirectly by saying Trump wouldn't create a 4th, not me. And my point about Hitler is he wasn't some grassroots prophet rising up on his abilities alone to save the German people, he was almost entirely created by big money from around the world including the Harrimans, Bushs and other financial giants, industrialists and prominent corporations from the West. Hitler would have never rose anywhere near to power without the backing of Fritz Thyssen his New York backers and many others. The holocaust wouldn't have happened without the information technology provided by IBM and German tanks rolled out of factories supplied by Ford. Trump is the same kind of demagogue that Hitler was playing to people's fears, biases and base instincts, and he does it well. It's an emotional approach to politics that rapidly desensitizes the target audience which requires constant ramping up of the rhetoric and following actions. In Hitler's case it started with a growing marginalization of the groups he despised and ended with the Holocaust. America already has deep divisions along racial, economic, political, regional and religious lines, this is what Trump is exploiting and it's inherently dangerous and in the end destructive. He's simply not going to make America great again by ripping it apart. Unlike Hitler Trump doesn't need outside backing, that doesn't make him any less of a destructive force.
He would never have anything resembling anything close to Military-Industrial Complex apparatus.America already is largely dominated by the intelligence and military/industrial complex, I seriously doubt that Trump is going to challenge it in any effective form. What's more likely is in the terrible reality of him entering the Oval Office he's almost certainly going to use what's available to enact his agenda. Which as I've already pointed out is based on what he hates and how he evokes the same response in people supporting him. Trump is dangerous and gives many indications of being mentally unstable as with his batshit crazy assertion that Obama wasn't even born in America and suing people like comedian Bill Maher for comparing him to an orangutan. http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-obama-birth-certificate-meet-the-press http://www.lawlawlandblog.com/2013/04/bill-maher-prevails-over-donald-trump-lawsuit-by-sitting-and-waiting-for-the-donald-to-figure-out-to-drop-it-himself.htmlExcellent points about Hitler. And to follow on to that, I think that's one of the reasons behind so much revisionist and deceptive so-called history shows we're fed on TV. Everyone wants to portray him as some lone nut. He wasn't. He was a thorough going, God-invoking Christian that many in the West agreed with (and still do).
GW is going to campaign for Jebediah in South Carolina.
Oh this could get rich. Trump has So. Car. sewed up already.
If Trump starts jumping in that fray, who knows where the dialogue could go?
GW is going to campaign for Jebediah in South Carolina. Oh this could get rich. Trump has So. Car. sewed up already. If Trump starts jumping in that fray, who knows where the dialogue could go?So. Carolina apparently has a bastion of folks who still don't understand how devastating "W's" presidency was for the U.S. Instead they believe the inane narrative that "W" kept us safe. So I think that the result will be that Jeb! will stage a bit of a comeback in So. Carolina. But not enough to definitively become the establishment candidate. This position will, I think, continue to be contested between Jeb!, Marco, and Kasich. And this remains good news for Trump and the former Canadian, who share in a large plurality of the rest of the nutcake Republican constituency. Trump will continue to highlight the awkward truth about "W's" severe failings. I would also like to see Trump carry thru on his threat to file a lawsuit re: the weasley former Canadian not being a natural born citizen.
So. Carolina apparently has a bastion of folks who still don't understand how devastating "W's" presidency was for the U.S. Instead they believe the inane narrative that "W" kept us safe.We'll see. This could be an interesting thing. Or both parties might shrewdly avoid open conflict. But I think Trump has enough clout to blow both the Bushes out of the water. What I mean specifically is that Trump can and already has to an extent, convinced the So. Carolinians(as well as most others) that Bush was a debacle. (in fact it just isn't Trump. the general cultural consensus has steadily shifted away from any positive GW Legacy) I really can't see how GW thinks this is a good idea really. But obviously some folks are betting on it. What have they got to lose really? Nothing. Trump should be able to completely eclipse any Bush "moment" that the 2 Bushes may think they can resurrect. Other than that what are they going to do? Try to convince the folks that Trump is crass and un-experienced? This will be interesting. It's also a friggin joke too. My brother and father were Presidents, so I can be President. My Husband was President, so I can be President.
So. Carolina apparently has a bastion of folks who still don't understand how devastating "W's" presidency was for the U.S. Instead they believe the inane narrative that "W" kept us safe.We'll see. This could be an interesting thing. Or both parties might shrewdly avoid open conflict. But I think Trump has enough clout to blow both the Bushes out of the water. What I mean specifically is that Trump can and already has to an extent, convinced the So. Carolinians(as well as most others) that Bush was a debacle. (in fact it just isn't Trump. the general cultural consensus has steadily shifted away from any positive GW Legacy) I really can't see how GW thinks this is a good idea really. But obviously some folks are betting on it. What have they got to lose really? Nothing. Trump should be able to completely eclipse any Bush "moment" that the 2 Bushes may think they can resurrect. Other than that what are they going to do? Try to convince the folks that Trump is crass and un-experienced? This will be interesting... Trump doesn't even have to blow Jeb! away. Although, I agree that, in a 1/2 way rational world, it should be easy to do, with "W" in the picture. (But Repubs don't live in a 1/2 way rational world.) There are 3 candidates who are vying for what passes, these days as moderate Republicans (Jeb!, Marco and Kasich). As long as this "moderate" vote is divided, Trump will lead, for the most part. And I see no signs, yet, of any of the 3 dropping out, anytime soon. If two of them are not gone pretty soon, the prospects for Trump get better and better.
Trump doesn't even have to blow Jeb! away. Although, I agree that, in a 1/2 way rational world, it should be easy to do, with "W" in the picture. (But Repubs don't live in a 1/2 way rational world.) There are 3 candidates who are vying for what passes, these days as moderate Republicans (Jeb!, Marco and Kasich). As long as this "moderate" vote is divided, Trump will lead, for the most part. And I see no signs, yet, of any of the 3 dropping out, anytime soon. If two of them are not gone pretty soon, the prospects for Trump get better and better.You're absolutely correct on all of your points here. And above. I think this is going to be interesting. I wanna see what kind of clout GW can bring to the table....and like I said you're right, if it's anywhere it's South Cacalakee.
Trump doesn't even have to blow Jeb! away. Although, I agree that, in a 1/2 way rational world, it should be easy to do, with "W" in the picture. (But Repubs don't live in a 1/2 way rational world.) There are 3 candidates who are vying for what passes, these days as moderate Republicans (Jeb!, Marco and Kasich). As long as this "moderate" vote is divided, Trump will lead, for the most part. And I see no signs, yet, of any of the 3 dropping out, anytime soon. If two of them are not gone pretty soon, the prospects for Trump get better and better.You're absolutely correct on all of your points here. And above. I think this is going to be interesting. I wanna see what kind of clout GW can bring to the table....and like I said you're right, if it's anywhere it's South Cacalakee. One thing to keep a watch for. Look for Cruz to try to parley this unexpected demise of Scalia, into a political advantage for himself. You wanted cage rattling. Well everything will be rattling now. Scalia's passing will be a political earthquake.
GW is going to campaign for Jebediah in South Carolina. Oh this could get rich. Trump has So. Car. sewed up already. If Trump starts jumping in that fray, who knows where the dialogue could go?So. Carolina apparently has a bastion of folks who still don't understand how devastating "W's" presidency was for the U.S. Instead they believe the inane narrative that "W" kept us safe. :lol: Well it got real interesting.
GW is going to campaign for Jebediah in South Carolina. Oh this could get rich. Trump has So. Car. sewed up already. If Trump starts jumping in that fray, who knows where the dialogue could go?Yeah. Adios Bushes. Adios. I guess another defining trait would be Bush haters too. Were getting some strong Overton Time on this ride. Love that new word Tim...Overton Window.
Yeah. Adios Bushes. Adios. I guess another defining trait would be Bush haters too. Were getting some strong Overton Time on this ride. Love that new word Tim...Overton Window.I see what you mean.
Donald Trump wins S.C.; Cruz, Rubio battle for 2nd; Bush pulls out http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/20/south-carolina-republican-primary-trump-cruz-rubio-bush/80630432/ USA TODAY - 13 mins ago COLUMBIA, S.C. — Donald Trump easily won the South Carolina primary on Saturday, taking another major step toward the Republican presidential nomination as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio fought a tight battle for second place. "Let's put this thing away, and let's make America great again!" Trump told cheering supporters in Spartanburg, S.C., as he predicted further success in upcoming states like Nevada, Georgia, and Texas.I haven't been paying much attention to the campaign, but a couple days ago I saw some older footage of Trump just tearing into Prez Bush for failing the country, allowing 9/11 to go down and making a mess of his war. First time I caught myself think, you go guy. He's as a hole, but at least he's a hole enough to say something that everyone else is too timid to admit. I'd admit it was surprisingly refreshing. Though, I think I'll still caucus for Bernie, March 1.
I haven't been paying much attention to the campaign, but a couple days ago I saw some older footage of Trump just tearing into Prez Bush for failing the country, allowing 9/11 to go down and making a mess of his war. First time I caught myself think, you go guy. He's as a hole, but at least he's a hole enough to say something that everyone else is too timid to admit. I'd admit it was surprisingly refreshing. Though, I think I'll still caucus for Bernie, March 1.Hell yeah...I got my notice in the mail. March 1st. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a Bernie Crowd too. There's more to Trump than meets the eye. I just have a feeling...backed up by numerous points he's made. This Bush one not the least of them.