Much of the stuff that Obama got done was extraordinarily complex and difficult and required amazing brain power and amazing negotiation, e.g. the Iran Agreement. The work and energy that went in to getting that done may have made it one of the most difficult diplomatic negotiations of all time. (T rump pissed it all away by simply signing his name.)
Much of the stuff that Obama got done was extraordinarily complex and difficult and required amazing brain power and amazing negotiation, e.g. the Iran Agreement. The work and energy that went in to getting that done may have made it one of the most difficult diplomatic negotiations of all time. (T rump pissed it all away by simply signing his name.)
True, true, true, and it was all washed away with an ease that’s unfathomable. Where did Obama educate and impassion We The People to carry on what he started. Instead he got caught up in a bizarre ego war with Donald Trump. Obama’s famous proud mic drop can be read in all sorts of ways. Then Clinton goes on to play the stone cold iron maiden incapable of reaching out and making new friends, she had her circle and that was good enough for her, and on and on.
Obama’s “silver tongue” as you so discounting-ly call itPresident Obama is hardly a silk tongue devil. Superstitious much?
Don’t be overly sensitive, it was a compliment. It even melted my heart, would love to hear more, but it don’t make up for the past, but might give us a little better change if he shows up a little better.
If you want sources look at the history.
I’m sorry I’m hurting your feelings - and don’t get me wrong I’ve been a Democratic delegate to a number of Colorado State Assembly and Conventions, including being a proud Obama delegate - so it’s not like I’m just tossing shit out at you for the hell of it. But hard lessons need to be faced and Democrats resent that, that’s their failure not mine.
Can’t we get real here, Had Obama been a success, how in hell did we put a well known fraud and nothing more than a baby man celebrity in charge of our government?
Please think about cascading consequences.
Supreme Court just, think back on Obama’s last year - I don’t have the time dig up the stories, you know where to find them.
Then rolling over for Kavenaugh nomination, playing half dead during the impeachment hearings, - still people are simply shocked that I’m pissed at my own democrats.
I don’t get what it is you want me to research all this for you when it’s part of our miserable history - and look where we’ve arrived at. But your all telling me we dare not accept some of the blame for the failures, I don’t get people at all.
A lot of people including some on this thread, seem to think that Democracy is easy.And some of us participate and have a front row seat as the failures keep unfolding. https://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2008/08/historic-snafu-in-need-of-revisiting.html Take a gander through my track record, October is especially crowded, like it or not, I've been in the ring. Sure you can laugh me off, my efforts at outreach and education and finding some sort of mentor or agent or booster have been a dismal failure, but than it is my fears and not everyone else's cheery optimistic outlook that reflects our reality most closely, so don't dismiss me or my bitching so casually.
What continues to be lacking is fundamental statements of Principles and Moral Expectation that’s where it starts. Although Obama speech was a nice move in that direction for a change I’ll not deny that.
NOVEMBER 26, 2008
Then, there’s Rush & Neocon friends
that was interesting to reread.
Plenty more through the years. 
AUGUST 2, 2008 A historic snafu in need of revisitingBack in 2004, during the Vice Presidencial debates, the question of the moment was: America’s Right to “Go It Alone.” Cheney proclaimed: “America will not allow anyone veto power!” Senator Edwards (and by extension the Democratic Party) could respond no better than to mumble meaningless platitudes.
Why couldn’t Senator Edwards invoke the words of our United States Declaration of Independence? The last line of the first paragraph reads: “… a decent Respect to the Opinion of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to Separation.”
Our Declaration of Independence and its signers granted no one veto power, however they did recognize a higher arbiter of correctness and a requirement that they be able to justify their actions in the eyes of the world!
Why couldn’t the Democrat articulate that?
Why have we so easily misplaced our respect for the rest of mankind?
~ A historic inspiration worth recalling ~
Our Founding Fathers were all men of passionate, deeply held and defensible beliefs.
Yet, each one knew they needed the knowledge and experiences of their ideological opponents.
They allowed themselves the luxury of respecting their opponents and they appreciated that there was something to be learned from most everyone.
They had the humility to understand that no one of them held absolute insight.
And they had the integrity to be able to alter perspectives when new information justified it.
Shouldn’t all of us reacquaint ourselves with this principle?
I can’t help thinking sometimes the simplest statements of values and expectations, well enunciated and reinforced with some facts and a story can do the most.
@mriana I’m still not sure what you’re talking about becausemriana, I promise once that website project is finished I'm going to try very hard to enunciate what I mean. Right now it's a bit scattered since my mind has actually been preoccupied with other things. You'll have to excuse me, CFI is sort of my notebook, a few moments to write between all the other things that keep pulling me from the project I think is most important. Too bad I'm the only one. ;-)
It’s also a good place to read some good stuff and get some good feedback. ><
@citizenschallengev3 You still sound like a Repug projecting everything that the Dotard is and has done onto President Obama.
Obama’s message was always “yes WE can”. The problem, I suggest was as much with the WE than with the individual who WE elected. WE did not give him control of both houses of Congress other than for the 1st 2 years, in which he used most of his political capital to get the 1st real upgrade to our Healthcare system, when other Presidents over the past 50 years could not.
Beyond that any of the things that progressives would have wanted him to do we did not go out and demand with demonstrations and organization. No, WE just laid back and expected Barack to do it all himself. We also did not realize the depth of the undercurrent of racial feelings elicited from many in our society, at having a black POTUS.
Now I know that it was not Obama’s fault that he was black.
The fault that I see that Barack had as POTUS was trying too hard for too long to be a POTUS for all Americans. When the repugs were ONLY all about obstructing anything and everything that Obama did. And I recall that I first became interested in him when he said “There are no red states. There are no blue states. There is only the United States.” I wanted that to be true. But it was not. Obama wanted it to be true and I am not sure that he ever gave up on the hope that it could be. But it resulted in the repugs having there way and even lead to their stealing a Supreme Court Justice spot.
And again, I would suggest, not only for you CC, but for all of the idealists who expect so much of a POTUS, that few could get much done at all without the WE fully behind him. We live in a Democracy with a 2 party system. There is always the other side to oppose an elected POTUS’s actions. Any leader, therefore, has to work with that, or at least, work around it. It is not an easy task. And it is impossible to get everything you want when significant other interests want something else. Obama was not a benevolent dictator as some seem to think he should have been.
So what we should have learned from the Obama years, I think, is that WE need to exert more pressure on our POTUS once he is in power. We should organize and demonstrate and pressure him to do what should be done. This would have the effect of influencing others to support what is right, also, and to give cover to the POTUS to get needed things done.
And Obama’s microphone drop was funny. F those like T rump who can’t take a joke. Especially, T rump, after being such a dick and gaining his own political prominence with his racist Birther accusations.
Btw, back on topic, Elizabeth Warren has now, also, endorsed Joe Biden.
Still, whatever one’s view is of President Obama, he was a far far far better president… he was a real president as compared to the dotard.
Did you say compare?
A Real POTUS 
v.
A Real Dotard
Please don’t turn it into a joke.
Oh incidentally, I just finished filling out and entering my ballots for the Colorado Democratic State Assembly and Convention, - which I wouldn’t have able to attend this year, heck I didn’t even realize county DNC made me a state delegate because the in person County Assembly was cancelled this year. Being selected didn’t matter anyways since my Bluegrass Meltdown Greenroom gig which was scheduled for this weekend, (but alas, the music it don’t play no more) was cancelled. So it’s just another quite weekend, and two rounds of voting was breeze from the comfort of our little cabin. Oh and the new library website, it’s nearing completion too, amazing how much more time consuming that project is than expected, but hey so it goes.
Just saying, I’m doing what I can and I speak from experience, not from reading the headlines others feed on. 
And I can thoughtfully defend the ideas I share, but when others can only devolve into flippant dismissal, what’s there’s nothing to do but continue watching the shit show get ever worse. I wish I could believe in the future, really I do, and most my life is spent acting as though future is as rosy as it ever was, but it ain’t because of our collective willful ignorance, willful disregard for the fundamentals. 
Now I’ve been invited to work on a busted plow my neighbor needs some help with and then drink some beer, don’t even really want to do either, but hey when all is said and done, it’s nice helping neighbors.
I didn’t turn it into a joke. T rump is a joke. A really really bad joke. I was not being flippantly dismissive. I just like to occasionally express my overwhelming disdain for what T rump is doing to my country.
I appreciate your previous activism, CC.
Your feelings about how things are going, seem to be as strong as my own. But when your passion is directed as much against Obama and the Dems, as it is toward T rump, and his thralls, I think it becomes dysfunctional. It is not a true equivalency of bad governance, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Yet you steer close, it seems to me, to claiming the false equivalency that Obama and the Dems are responsible for T rump’s election and the subsequent atrocities that he has performed as DOTUS.
This is a dangerous stance, I think, unless your objective is to drive potential voters to the apathy that can come with that classic false equivalency.
Don’t worry about my feelings, just because I love Obama. Speak your truth. And I will tell you when I think “your truth” is a bit off.