Did you read the Washington Post data I posted?
The CDC has become “enmeshed in politics”. … federal agencies adopted the term “regulatory science” to describe their work. This signaled that these agencies were going to offer apolitical, objective assessments of myriad risks to the public, rooted in the best science possible. Washington Post
Yes, science is science. But that science may not be viewed the same way by political department heads.
To sum it up (in Mikey’s world): If it’s bad since 2021, it’s Biden’s fault. If if was bad before 2021, it is everybody else’s, BUT trump’s fault.
That is the simplest way to think of it. And we all know MAGAts like Simple.
I didn’t see that post, but I found the headline, and I’m briefly subscribing to WaPo. It didn’t have “data” though and as always, I don’t see how you got from that article to your conclusions. Even if you only read the headline, you should see it was about the decades long problem, not some recent Trump vs Biden mess.
You put those words in bold, those are the good words. Objective is good. From the article:
expressed confidence that the tools and models of risk assessment could be as objective and trustworthy as the findings of basic scientific research. This promise emerged from a decade of revelations. These ranged from the thalidomide tragedy — in which a drug widely used in pregnant women turned out to cause profound birth defects, a calamity narrowly avoided in the United States — to revelations about environmental risks from pesticides, and new movements pushing to protect both consumers and the environment from industry-related harms.
Science should proceed at the pace it needs to fully determine what’s true. But, if we had done with Covid, a lot more people would have died. Sometimes you have to act with limited knowledge. You can’t please everyone in those circumstances. The article ends with some suggestions:
"To reduce this vulnerability to politicization, the relationship between policymakers and expert agencies — essentially producers and users of risk-assessment models — could be reorganized. “Protecting” the CDC from political interference is a tempting goal given the current debacle, but while it could isolate the agency from criticism, it also threatens to isolate it from alternative points of view and inputs from other sources of expertise.
Learning from history, a wiser reorganization would create a robust and professional mediator between the producers and users of models. This mediating agency would be charged with integrating input from a broader network that includes academic, private and nonprofit experts, and allows these views to be incorporated into a set of alternative scenarios to be presented to policymakers. These scenarios will take into account not only the estimates of alternative models, but also the complications posed by uncertainty, ignorance, indeterminacy and the need to secure the public’s trust."
And do you know why drilling was suspended?
As oil spill responders, NOAA’s Office of Response and Restoration has to take these and many other factors into account during an oil spill near coral reefs.
For example, if the spill resulted from a ship running aground on a reef, we need to consider the environmental impacts of the options for removing the ship. Or, if an oil spill occurred offshore but near coral reefs, we would advise the U.S. Coast Guard and other pollution responders to avoid using chemical dispersants to break up the oil spill because [corals can be harmed by dispersed oil]
How an oil spill affects corals depends on the species and maturity of the coral (e.g., early stages of life are very sensitive to oil) as well as the means and level of exposure to oil. Exposing corals to small amounts of oil for an extended period can be just as harmful as large amounts of oil for a brief time.
Coral reefs can come in contact with oil in three major ways:
- Oil floating on the water’s surface can be deposited directly on corals in an intertidal zone when the water level drops at low tide.
- Rough seas can mix lighter oil products into the water column (like shaking up a bottle of salad dressing), where they can drift down to coral reefs.
- As heavy oil weathers or gets mixed with sand or sediment, it can become dense enough to sink below the ocean surface and smother corals below.
Once oil comes into contact with corals, it can kill them or impede their reproduction, growth, behavior, and development. The entire reef ecosystem can suffer from an oil spill, affecting the many species of fish, crabs, and other marine invertebrates that live in and around coral reefs.
(10. What Are Some Environmental Impacts from Dispersant Use? | response.restoration.noaa.gov).
https://response.restoration.noaa.gov/about/media/how-do-oil-spills-affect-coral-reefs.html#:
Couldn’t agree more.
I have yet to figure out why the CDC was involved. The hearing going on today should indicate a reason.
What is not covered yet is the FDA & CDC policies. Which are basically laws written by the FDA and the CDC. Books have been written for example titled. “Three Felonies a Day”. The thinking is that the average person unknowingly breaks at least three federal criminal laws every day. That may be the case with companies like Abbott too. The FDA controls all the power. Maybe Abbott stepped over the FDA line by conducting their own investigation. Which would have been led in the background by the insurance carriers. The FDA had publicly blamed Abbott for wrongdoing and when challenged. Left Abbott shut down until their next inspection. Which took two years.
The historical steps would be for Abbott to set up a meeting with the FDA and bring their congressman to the meeting. In today’s world we have departmental heads lying to congress under oath and not getting into trouble. Some departments seem to be more powerful than congressmen and even presidents. Who are suppose to be their boss.
I would like to have complete transparence to the public. And investigating news sources that are not afraid to buck the government and tell the truth. For example. the Exxon Valdez oil spill. Exxon’s part was they owned the ship. The government’s part was controlling, picking, training, and licensing the captain of the ship. Exxon had no idea who the government was going to send to pilot the Valdez. Exxon got blamed for the oil spill when it was the government who was at fault. Our system has a history of government regulation rule and no government liability. Point being. I don’t think public trust will come about by more government mediators or involvement.
In these conversations, you go off the rails, and just keep going. Until the subject changes. Or this case, we are on the “off the rails” topic already.
I didn’t know they wrote laws.
I’m sure FDA employees would get a could a chuckle out of that.
You don’t “investigate” your own shop, you operate it in a way that creates the product at the quality it needs to be. If you get a visit from the “district supervisor” that’s when you whip into shape. The FDA would not have a problem with that.
They were not shut down for two years.
Where did you get this?
Yes, I was working an offshore Humble rig at the time.
The Santa Barbara rig that had the oil spill was just the same and up the coast a little. The oil spill was caused by the State of California. Not the oil companies. So, why didn’t California get in trouble? Why did the oil companies get blamed? Of three oil refineries in Southern California only two were able to stay open. That was in 1969. By 1973 we had gas lines and higher gas prices.
The Santa Barbara area was known for natural oil seepage. The drilling slowed the natural seepage. There was no talk of coral reef problems by oil spills in 1969.
The point being the State of California controlled the surface pipe. No drilling for oil could take place until the surface pipe was built and certified by the State of California geologist to their requirements.
I am not laying blame. Point is that when there is a spill (regardless of cause) that entire environment becomes polluted. All life in that vicinity is endangered.
And then they found that the “dispersants” they used to break down the oil was also harmful to all ocean life.
Chemical dispersants were sprayed in unprecedented quantities in the Gulf as part of the response to the BP oil spill. The toxic effects of these dispersants on marine life and humans provide yet another illustration of the dangerous environmental impacts of offshore oil drilling and why it must be stopped.
What are dispersants and why are they used in oil-spill response?
Dispersants are chemicals that are sprayed on a surface oil slick to break down the oil into smaller droplets that more readily mix with the water. Dispersants do not reduce the amount of oil entering the environment, but push the effects of the spill underwater. While dispersants make the oil spill less visible, dispersants and dispersed oil under the ocean surface are hazardous for marine life.
Dispersants were being used in the BP oil spill to reduce the chance that the surface oil slick would reach shoreline habitats like marshes and mangroves or come into contact with animals at the surface. However, by mixing the oil below the water surface, dispersants increase the exposure of a wide array of marine life in the water and on the ocean floor to the spilled oil. Dispersants also decrease the ability to skim or absorb oil from the ocean surface.
Not for vaccines or to turn the economy around. More like crash the economy. That’s what happens when the prior president does something concerning the economy. You don’t see it until the next administration, which means the dotard crashed the economy and we are now seeing that result.
Laws are also rules that govern everyone equally, while regulations only effect those who deal directly with the agency who is enforcing them.
Then we got to question if regulations (laws) govern everyone equally.
They did not look like they were chuckling yesterday in front of congress. They blamed the reason they took so long on Abbott was a problem in their mailroom.
Maybe I didn’t get my point down clearly. The FDA was making public statements and got a recall going on Abbott. Then the FDA investigated Abbott. Abbott also brought in an outside investigation team. It seems that Abbott didn’t trust or believe the FDA.
Abbott timeline
The shut down was just part of the Abbott investigation that took two years. There was baby deaths and whistleblowers. The inspection of the main Abbott factory is being questioned why it took so long.
Who and where do the oil tankers get their training and certifications? From the unions and government. The unions work with the government training the pilots. The pilots are recruited from the captains and deck officers of the Merchant Marines. Exxon informs the union when the ship will be load and ready to depart. The union sends a pilot to the ship. When the pilot gets the ship close to a harbor another pilot may be required to dock the ship. These pilots might be a pilot for Chevron one week and Cosco next week. And ConocoPhillips the week after. The Jones Act and other maritime laws control the labor laws that are different from the standard labor laws we are use to.
Get back to me when you get your story straight
I can’t make the facts fit your belief.
So eating a diet of fresh fruits and vegetables, grains, proteins, etc is a law. Gee, I thought it was some guidelines to stay healthy. The CDC and the FDA do not make laws.
Yes they do. Regulations are laws. Guideline are not. The CDC makes guidelines and regulations. That is one of the reasons the government has never been able to tell the public for decades the total number of laws that are on the books.
FDA develops regulations based on the laws set forth in the FD&C Act or other laws under which FDA operates. FDA follows the procedures required by the Administrative Procedure Act, another federal law, to issue FDA regulations. This typically involves a process known as “notice and comment rulemaking” that allows for public input on a proposed regulation before FDA issues a final regulation. FDA regulations are also federal laws, but they are not part of the FD&C Act. FDA regulations can be found in Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR).
FDA follows the procedures required by its “Good Guidance Practice” regulation to issue FDA guidance. FDA guidance describes the agency’s current thinking on a regulatory issue. Guidance is not legally binding on the public or FDA. The Good Guidance Practice regulation can be found at 21 CFR 10.115.
OK so what? If it protects the public, then they are doing their job. Big deal. Their job is to protect the public and that is why we had mask mandates and other things that helped to keep people (who didn’t refuse to listen) from getting COVID-19, but the Repugs chose to be stupid and impose their views of alleged freedom on everyone by rejecting mask mandates and other things that helped to protect the public. Protecting the health of the general public is why the FDA and CDC was put into place. So why are you complaining when they were doing their job? Any other time, the complaint/demand would be telling them to do their job. Some people just can’t be happy unless everything goes their way and they can go through life carefree and unobstructed.
As we just found out in Texas. People tasked with protecting the citizens did not do their job and look at the result!!!
The leadership of the CDC is a politically appointed position. Politically appointed people will follow what they think is good for their party and votes. Just look at the difference between the Blue and Red states. Blue states got most the money and some of their policies killed thousands of people. Just look at what is going on right now. Alaska gets nearly half their gas from one area. The government just closed that area. When question by a congressman. The government department head didn’t have anything to say and acted like she didn’t even know anything about that department order. It seems like just about every other day I hear of idiotical actions showing complete lack of thought or common sense being taken by our government. It is cold in Alaska and they will heat their houses with wood if forced to. Just like Biden’s inflation caused by the oil shutdown has cause people in Nigeria to burn charcoal again. Causing the destruction of forests. And the inflation is causing India to reopen 100 coal burning plants because they cannot afford to use gas.
If we are going to be a country run by the Rules of Laws. Then we need to get to work on the morals of this country.
Can you be a little more specific? By “Gas” do you mean gasoline or natural gas?
If you are referring to “the area” that is mentioned in the OP, it was already pointed out that there was no interest, and it was also pointed out only about 10% of other areas are active.
One thing that doesn’t require facts, that I can agree with you on.
Stop believing every headline that confirms your bias.
They “closed” an area that wasn’t being drilled at all.
I was giving him the benefit of a doubt. I wasn’t going to research all of the Opens and Closes for the past several decades … one that he might refer too to prove his point.
