http://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/ WEDNESDAY, NOV 19, 2014 | LINDSAY ABRAMS House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board Congressional climate wars were dominated Tuesday by the U.S. Senate, which spent the day debating, and ultimately failing to pass, a bill approving the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. While all that was happening, and largely unnoticed, the House was busy doing what it does best: attacking science. H.R. 1422, which passed 229-191, would shake up the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board, placing restrictions on those pesky scientists and creating room for experts with overt financial ties to the industries affected by EPA regulations. The bill is being framed as a play for transparency: Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, argued that the board’s current structure is problematic because it “excludes industry experts, but not officials for environmental advocacy groups." The inclusion of industry experts, he said, would right this injustice.Why do Republicans/Libertarians believe our "Environment" is something to be held in contempt? I mean how disconnected and stupid can ya get?
Do you drive a car? or use any type of mass transit? Do you eat food that was moved by truck? Answer yes and you want the Keystone pipelinehttp://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/ WEDNESDAY, NOV 19, 2014 | LINDSAY ABRAMS House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board Congressional climate wars were dominated Tuesday by the U.S. Senate, which spent the day debating, and ultimately failing to pass, a bill approving the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. While all that was happening, and largely unnoticed, the House was busy doing what it does best: attacking science. H.R. 1422, which passed 229-191, would shake up the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board, placing restrictions on those pesky scientists and creating room for experts with overt financial ties to the industries affected by EPA regulations. The bill is being framed as a play for transparency: Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, argued that the board’s current structure is problematic because it “excludes industry experts, but not officials for environmental advocacy groups." The inclusion of industry experts, he said, would right this injustice.Why do Republicans/Libertarians believe our "Environment" is something to be held in contempt? I mean how disconnected and stupid can ya get?
I missed this thread when it was 1st posted. But a friend told me about it. I thought, at the time he must have been exaggerating, but recognizing the current quality of right wing-nut jobs, I feared he wasn’t.
So now we have experts of industry, rather than environmental scientists, to guide the Environmental Protection? Agency.
To add injury to insulting injury, you must have heard, that the new chair of the Senate Environmental committee, with the new Congress, will be a man who, literally, wrote the book “Global Warming is a Hoax”.
I missed this thread when it was 1st posted. But a friend told me about it. I thought, at the time he must have been exaggerating, but recognizing the current quality of right wing-nut jobs, I feared he wasn't. So now we have experts of industry, rather than environmental scientists, to guide the Environmental Protection? Agency. To add injury to insulting injury, you must have heard, that the new chair of the Senate Environmental committee, with the new Congress, will be a man who, literally, wrote the book "Global Warming is a Hoax".Dependence, on foreign powers that want the USA destroyed is what is nuts. Buying oil from Canada, makes both economic and political sense.
It's connected to religion. Their brains have been so addled by religious indoctrination and they are so used to justifying irrational ideas that they can't think rationally about anything. Loishttp://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/ WEDNESDAY, NOV 19, 2014 | LINDSAY ABRAMS House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board Congressional climate wars were dominated Tuesday by the U.S. Senate, which spent the day debating, and ultimately failing to pass, a bill approving the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. While all that was happening, and largely unnoticed, the House was busy doing what it does best: attacking science. H.R. 1422, which passed 229-191, would shake up the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board, placing restrictions on those pesky scientists and creating room for experts with overt financial ties to the industries affected by EPA regulations. The bill is being framed as a play for transparency: Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, argued that the board’s current structure is problematic because it “excludes industry experts, but not officials for environmental advocacy groups." The inclusion of industry experts, he said, would right this injustice.Why do Republicans/Libertarians believe our "Environment" is something to be held in contempt? I mean how disconnected and stupid can ya get?
It's connected to religion. Their brains have been so addled by religious indoctrination and they are so used to justifying irrational ideas that they can't think rationally about anything. Lois Osama Bin Ladin, once U.S. public enemy number one, and the orchestrator of the most violent attack on the USA ever, was from Saudi Arabia. Thus buying oil from Canada, a U.S. ally, is a great idea, as in a time of global strife, the USA could and would gladly defend Canada from it's enemies. However you want to fund our enemies......... Think.http://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/ WEDNESDAY, NOV 19, 2014 | LINDSAY ABRAMS House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board Congressional climate wars were dominated Tuesday by the U.S. Senate, which spent the day debating, and ultimately failing to pass, a bill approving the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. While all that was happening, and largely unnoticed, the House was busy doing what it does best: attacking science. H.R. 1422, which passed 229-191, would shake up the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board, placing restrictions on those pesky scientists and creating room for experts with overt financial ties to the industries affected by EPA regulations. The bill is being framed as a play for transparency: Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, argued that the board’s current structure is problematic because it “excludes industry experts, but not officials for environmental advocacy groups." The inclusion of industry experts, he said, would right this injustice.Why do Republicans/Libertarians believe our "Environment" is something to be held in contempt? I mean how disconnected and stupid can ya get?
What you’re missing is that it’s not a question of where we will get our next million barrels of oil from -
it’s a question of weaning ourselves from that oil, because continued burning of it, will do worse then end civilization as we know it over the next few generations.
But then I also know, we missed our easy escape ramps decades ago -
and the Republican masters of the universe are dependent on this self-cannibalization we are committed to,
with the Democrats too weak and clueless to do anything about it.
:down:
Do you drive a car? or use any type of mass transit? Do you eat food that was moved by truck? Answer yes and you want the Keystone pipeline How did we manage all these years without it? Loishttp://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/ WEDNESDAY, NOV 19, 2014 | LINDSAY ABRAMS House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board Congressional climate wars were dominated Tuesday by the U.S. Senate, which spent the day debating, and ultimately failing to pass, a bill approving the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. While all that was happening, and largely unnoticed, the House was busy doing what it does best: attacking science. H.R. 1422, which passed 229-191, would shake up the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board, placing restrictions on those pesky scientists and creating room for experts with overt financial ties to the industries affected by EPA regulations. The bill is being framed as a play for transparency: Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, argued that the board’s current structure is problematic because it “excludes industry experts, but not officials for environmental advocacy groups." The inclusion of industry experts, he said, would right this injustice.Why do Republicans/Libertarians believe our "Environment" is something to be held in contempt? I mean how disconnected and stupid can ya get?
It's connected to religion. Their brains have been so addled by religious indoctrination and they are so used to justifying irrational ideas that they can't think rationally about anything. Lois Osama Bin Ladin, once U.S. public enemy number one, and the orchestrator of the most violent attack on the USA ever, was from Saudi Arabia. Thus buying oil from Canada, a U.S. ally, is a great idea, as in a time of global strife, the USA could and would gladly defend Canada from it's enemies. However you want to fund our enemies......... Think. It's you who should think and have shown you are incapable of it. If you could think you would know that we have bought oil from Cananda all along and we can continue to do so without the Keystone pipeline.http://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/ WEDNESDAY, NOV 19, 2014 | LINDSAY ABRAMS House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board Congressional climate wars were dominated Tuesday by the U.S. Senate, which spent the day debating, and ultimately failing to pass, a bill approving the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. While all that was happening, and largely unnoticed, the House was busy doing what it does best: attacking science. H.R. 1422, which passed 229-191, would shake up the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board, placing restrictions on those pesky scientists and creating room for experts with overt financial ties to the industries affected by EPA regulations. The bill is being framed as a play for transparency: Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, argued that the board’s current structure is problematic because it “excludes industry experts, but not officials for environmental advocacy groups." The inclusion of industry experts, he said, would right this injustice.Why do Republicans/Libertarians believe our "Environment" is something to be held in contempt? I mean how disconnected and stupid can ya get?
What you're missing is that it's not a question of where we will get our next million barrels of oil from - it's a question of weaning ourselves from that oil, because continued burning of it, will do worse then end civilization as we know it over the next few generations. But then I also know, we missed our easy escape ramps decades ago - and the Republican masters of the universe are dependent on this self-cannibalization we are committed to, with the Democrats too weak and clueless to do anything about it. :down:Words from a person who does not eat anything moved by oil..... OR is that wrong?
Do you drive a car? or use any type of mass transit? Do you eat food that was moved by truck? Answer yes and you want the Keystone pipeline How did we manage all these years without it? Lois We never managed without any of that........http://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/ WEDNESDAY, NOV 19, 2014 | LINDSAY ABRAMS House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research The "reform" measure makes room for industry-funded experts on the EPA's advisory board Congressional climate wars were dominated Tuesday by the U.S. Senate, which spent the day debating, and ultimately failing to pass, a bill approving the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. While all that was happening, and largely unnoticed, the House was busy doing what it does best: attacking science. H.R. 1422, which passed 229-191, would shake up the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board, placing restrictions on those pesky scientists and creating room for experts with overt financial ties to the industries affected by EPA regulations. The bill is being framed as a play for transparency: Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, argued that the board’s current structure is problematic because it “excludes industry experts, but not officials for environmental advocacy groups." The inclusion of industry experts, he said, would right this injustice.Why do Republicans/Libertarians believe our "Environment" is something to be held in contempt? I mean how disconnected and stupid can ya get?
For some reason, (which seems odd to me, since it was not that long ago that the price of oil was shooting up and up and up) the world, is now flush with oil. If the price falls any further, the Canadian oil may not even be economically viable. The Saudis could have driven the price up by curtailing production, or further decreased it by increasing their production. They did neither, keeping their production levels the same.
The effect of the current low price of oil will be to put some of the producers out of business, if they can’t remain viable until the price goes back up. More devastating, however, from the POV of those who care about the environment, is that the fall of oil prices will have a very negative effect on the fledgling alternative energy industries.
BTW, if possible, could whoever posted whatever it was that stretched the margins, on this thread, go back and correct that?
For some reason, (which seems odd to me, since it was not that long ago that the price of oil was shooting up and up and up) the world, is now flush with oil. If the price falls any further, the Canadian oil may not even be economically viable. The Saudis could have driven the price up by curtailing production, or further decreased it by increasing their production. They did neither, keeping their production levels the same. The effect of the current low price of oil will be to put some of the producers out of business, if they can't remain viable until the price goes back up. More devastating, however, from the POV of those who care about the environment, is that the fall of oil prices will have a very negative effect on the fledgling alternative energy industries.Funny you should mention that, have you seen this: The Weekend Wonk: With Coal on the Ropes, is This the Beginning of the End of Oil? http://climatecrocks.com/2014/11/29/the-weekend-wonk-with-coal-on-the-ropes-is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-oil/
...Funny you should mention that, have you seen this: The Weekend Wonk: With Coal on the Ropes, is This the Beginning of the End of Oil? http://climatecrocks.com/2014/11/29/the-weekend-wonk-with-coal-on-the-ropes-is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-oil/I suppose we could hope that the oil prices will become so volatile, that the relatively stable prices of alternatives would be more attractive. The price of oil is a mystery to me. If the price were going up drastically, as it has not so long ago, we would hear on the news and financial channels that it is due to instability in the middle east, or pressures to limit Russia's export of oil due to Ukraine, or refinery issues, or etc. And we would buy it, as we always have before. But now, the price is plummeting, and the reason is that there is too much oil being produced. Maybe that is true. Either way, oil is still intrinsic to the world economy. The price may dip a bit more, but in the medium term it will likely rise, again. It may stabilize around $80 a barrel. That will be enough to keep most of the industry going strong, and will be challenging, I think, for some new alternative energy businesses.
For some reason, (which seems odd to me, since it was not that long ago that the price of oil was shooting up and up and up) the world, is now flush with oil. If the price falls any further, the Canadian oil may not even be economically viable. The Saudis could have driven the price up by curtailing production, or further decreased it by increasing their production. They did neither, keeping their production levels the same. The effect of the current low price of oil will be to put some of the producers out of business, if they can't remain viable until the price goes back up. More devastating, however, from the POV of those who care about the environment, is that the fall of oil prices will have a very negative effect on the fledgling alternative energy industries.All the more reason to build the pipeline, as competition always drives down prices. What you are missing however, is that if the Saudis stopped exporting oil to us, it hits $10.00 a gallon in the first 30 seconds, and goes up from there, people with oil burners in their homes will freeze, and every tree everywhere will be cut for wood. So I say the pipeline is a great investment, in security.
The pipeline is a great investment for big oil to continue its run of obscene profits at the expense of others, unless the price of oil drops and stays below, maybe $40 a barrel, or so. (Maybe not even that low.) Then it becomes a bad investment for them. What the Canadians have is relatively expensive to produce.
Oil is a global commodity. Who the Saudis sell their oil to, is not as much a factor, as how much they produce, when it comes to the price.
The pipeline is a great investment for big oil to continue its run of obscene profits at the expense of others, unless the price of oil drops and stays below, maybe $40 a barrel, or so. (Maybe not even that low.) Then it becomes a bad investment for them. What the Canadians have is relatively expensive to produce. Oil is a global commodity. Who the Saudis sell their oil to, is not as much a factor, as how much they produce, when it comes to the price.Oil, like it or not is just as important as food, as it moves all of our food at some point. What we need to do is become energy independent, OK Canada can not really help with that, but they are neighbors at least.
The pipeline is a great investment for big oil to continue its run of obscene profits at the expense of others, unless the price of oil drops and stays below, maybe $40 a barrel, or so. (Maybe not even that low.) Then it becomes a bad investment for them. What the Canadians have is relatively expensive to produce. Oil is a global commodity. Who the Saudis sell their oil to, is not as much a factor, as how much they produce, when it comes to the price.Oil, like it or not is just as important as food, as it moves all of our food at some point. What we need to do is become energy independent, OK Canada can not really help with that, but they are neighbors at least. I am as much in favor, as you of the U.S., becoming energy independent. I just want it to be with much more clean renewable energy and much less polluting energy resources. That could be a realistic and achievable goal, but it is a goal that recedes with every excess dollar that non-renewable energy producers make. Some of them are using a small portion of their profits, to essentially buy local judgeships all around the country. Some use a small portion of their profits to spread their propaganda, to which persons such as yourself, fall prey. And, of course, a small part of their profits go to supporting State and Federal political figures and for lobbying. The deck is stacked against the faster emergence of alternative energies.
The pipeline is a great investment for big oil to continue its run of obscene profits at the expense of others, unless the price of oil drops and stays below, maybe $40 a barrel, or so. (Maybe not even that low.) Then it becomes a bad investment for them. What the Canadians have is relatively expensive to produce. Oil is a global commodity. Who the Saudis sell their oil to, is not as much a factor, as how much they produce, when it comes to the price.Oil, like it or not is just as important as food, as it moves all of our food at some point. What we need to do is become energy independent, OK Canada can not really help with that, but they are neighbors at least. I am as much in favor, as you of the U.S., becoming energy independent. I just want it to be with much more clean renewable energy and much less polluting energy resources. That could be a realistic and achievable goal, but it is a goal that recedes with every excess dollar that non-renewable energy producers make. Some of them are using a small portion of their profits, to essentially buy local judgeships all around the country. Some use a small portion of their profits to spread their propaganda, to which persons such as yourself, fall prey. And, of course, a small part of their profits go to supporting State and Federal political figures and for lobbying. The deck is stacked against the faster emergence of alternative energies. Renewable and clean energy is already here, try and see how many tons of batteries that it takes to move a truckload of food to Walmart. It's a simple math equation, not a political cause, I want a clean Earth too, and as a 50 year old, I can say that the Osprey, is all over my state now, and that I never saw one as a kid, so progress is being made. Seriously, if turbochargers, worked, wouldn't they be law on all vehicles? if electric cars worked, why aren't they the law too. If climate change and global warming is caused by humanity, what melted the last ice age.