AI Self-Awareness: Are We On The Path To Our Doom?

So who do you counterstrike? Unless the meteor has a trajectory that intersects from Pyongyang to Honolulu. In which case North Korea has meteor technology for a green holocaust.

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What does paranoia have to do with an algorithms ability to discern an incoming ICBM from a meteor?

Then don’t use the term “attack”.

Attack
take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force, typically in a battle or war.

You’re telling me that I’m projecting personality on to AI, I’m just saying it’s not good.

No, you are projecting personality and self-awareness onto a meteor. Meteors have no intent to be afraid of. The have mass, and speed , and trajectory , that predict certain impact. No paranoia there. That’s science.

To associate God’s Will with the incoming meteor is paranoia… :scream:

No, you are projecting personality and self-awareness onto a meteor. Meteors have no intent to be afraid of. The have mass, and speed , and trajectory , that predict certain impact. No paranoia there. That’s science.

What are you talking about? I legitimately need you to clarify. The meteor is there by random chance, the AI controlled death-device is only responsible for ID’ing when an object is coming in at a certain speed and trajectory to ID the “too late” moment and launch.

That’s the kind of system a country like Iran or Pakistan will develop instead of a prohibitively expensive nuclear triad.

Yes and that does not qualify as an attack. It qualifies as bad luck.
OTOH an ICBM is a guided missile launched with malicious intent.

I don’t think that was ever what Matt meant. Maybe a better analogy would be to a real-life event. When an early missile warning system was installed and booted up in Alaska, way back in the 70’s or 80’s, it wasn’t long before it started lighting up, warning us of an incoming barrage of ICBM’s from Russia. Luckily, they waited to confirm that the machine was correct, because it turned out, it was the moon rise.

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So who do you counterstrike? Unless the meteor has a trajectory that intersects from Pyongyang to Honolulu. In which case North Korea has meteor technology for a green holocaust.

Thought about this overnight, that’s an exceedingly good question that I don’t have an answer to. With the Black Brant Scare I think it’s pretty easy that the system would have attacked NATO and the US. The point is though, that it’s happened and it’s humans who have stopped the catastrophe when the systems were ID’ing.

Yes and that does not qualify as an attack. It qualifies as bad luck.
OTOH an ICBM is a guided missile launched with malicious intent.

What lausten said. I for one don’t care if it’s an accident or if Biden slept with Putin’s daughter and he’s retaliating. As a plebeian all that matters to me is that I’m close enough to ground zero to not have to be here for the aftermath.

The point is a human made a system that was imperfect and put a machine in control. Whether those imperfections kill us because they’re just not advanced or because it decided humans were the biggest threat to the biosphere is kind of irrelevant. You’re quibbling over its cognition abilities and decision making, I don’t care, I’m nuked.

All will be well Matt.

All will be well Matt.

Haha. This isn’t the thing that scares me, I just find it interesting. The inexplicable beings that can break causality that may not have our best interests at heart that our leaders are saying are real, that’s the scary thing to me. They’d control our nukes after all.

It is however probably one of the biggest issues with nuclear proliferation apart from the proliferating itself. Look at the flash crash of 2009, that happened because algorithms were fighting with algorithms and their actions created a kind of recursive death spiral. Why are weapons immune to that same kind of logic conflict? The stock market is simulated conflict after all with gains and losses.

Peace Matt. What are you up to today?

Peace Matt. What are you up to today?

Continuing to figure out if I want to dive back into being a 3D artist or do something else with my life.

Maybe I need to find a way to do 3D art in academia or engineering. It’s the marketing stuff that’s killing me and I tried politics/non-profit stuff and if you do that as a paid job you find is full of narcissistic, power hungry people. Also, if you’re competent they assume leadership qualities and hoist responsibilities on you even when you’re like, “no really, not a leader.”

I’m sick of selling booze, sneakers, pharmaceuticals and occasionally big tobacco just because I gotta pay a mortgage but alas those are just the sectors I landed in.

You?

Keeping busy in the genteel ‘poverty’ of retirement. Touching up the house, gardening, sweeping the street, reading, gaming, walking up the hill or down the river. Going to see my grandson on Thursday. The Bootleg Beatles on Saturday. The to do list is full. Meeting the wife in town for lunch. A nice walk. Intensely urban red brick in the most ethnically diverse neighbourhood in the UK and river bank and thousand year castle gardens.

Yeahhhh, I worked for ‘the Man’ in IT. Still have the scars.

We live in different countries but I’m sure very similar experiences. I think NYC/US demands more of you in general than London/UK but in the late 90s I used to leave the office every day at 5:00 like on the dot and :10 over was someone was pissing someone else off. Today I’m expected to respond to things literally while I sleep because my God is named Deadline.

It’s a whole lot easier to swallow scars from the man if you’re still able to maintain a fulfilling life on the other side but when it’s all or nothing, success or slave-like devotion, why are you even doing it? I view myself as just being on the vanguard of this quitting movement that’s being observed. My life has been pandemic life for a decade, everyone else is just waking up to that fact and struggling with these realities.

Remote work where you’re on call 24/7 is not the natural state of man. Today may be the day I leave my top 3-5% salaried career in one of the wealthiest nations in the world to push a lawn mower to be in the lower 50%.

Do it. And read Haidt’s other masterwork. The Happiness Hypothesis. You need a dog.